Talk:1969 Atlantic hurricane season

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"One of only three hurricanes to have done so [hit as a Category 5]in the US." Labor Day, 1935; Camille and Who?

-E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast

Andrew was the third one. It was upgraded upon re-analysis to be a Category 5 hurricane in the 1992 hurricane season. Hurricanehink 22:32, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

18 hurricanes in a season-broken record

Shouldn't there be a mention of the fact that the 2005 season broke the record set by this season for the number of hurricanes in a season? Paul^C/_T+ 15:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Look at the records section. Hurricanehink 16:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Button Bar Fixing

Whoever made this made Martha a Cat4 Hurricane.HurricaneCraze32 23:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

No they didn't. Hurricanehink 00:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Everything I read-including the review says Martha was Cat1.HurricaneCraze32 20:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The button bar says it was a Cat. 1. Hurricanehink 21:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Seems like we've had this discussion before...the only thing you need to read is the best track - http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/easyhurdat_5104.html#1969_18. It's a cat1, just like the button bar says. — jdorje (talk) 05:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

He's talking about the button bar, which I see nothing wrong with. Hurricanehink 11:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

It was Cat4-i changed it to Cat1.HurricaneCraze32 21:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, well you could have told us you changed it before you posted. That is why we all were so confused. Hurricanehink 21:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Inga

The info on Inga contrasts with this page... which is correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Longest_lived_Atlantic_tropical_cyclones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.245.13 (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Anna

In case you wanted to know, I was the one who put up the picture of Tropical Storm Anna. If you want it taken off go ahead. Jake52

No, good find! Hurricanehink (talk) 00:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Strong La Niña?

The following statement was in this article, added by Storm05: "...the likely reason for the increased activity was a strong La Niña which also affected the 1969 Pacific hurricane and Pacific typhoon seasons."

According to SOI data from the Australia Bureau of Meteorology and ONI data from the Climate Prediction Center, conditions in 1969 were neutral, at best, rather than indicative of a strong La Niña. Therefore, I removed the aforementioned remark.Senorpepr 05:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Seven

Seven? 1-2-3-4-5-6-7? That means seven tropical depressions formed before the first storm did. That's hard for me to believe. I can't find the list of the other ones. Could someone tell me where the other six came from? -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 20:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The MWR does indeed confirm this, though I really don't think that the depression should be numbered as such. I think it should just be referred as Tropical Depression, as some other seasons have done. Indeed, the newspaper report simply calls it a tropical depression, and further remarks that it was the first severe tropical weather system of the season. Does anyone know when depressions first started being called Tropical Depression X? The preliminary report for Hurricane Cora in 1978 calls it Tropical Depression 3, which is the earliest I can find. If no one is opposed, I think that depressions prior to that, unless specifically numbered, should be referred just as Tropical Depression. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

opposed, why? because seven tds formed during the season and simply refering it as "tropical depression" would confuse the reader regarding which td formed and which struck land, etc. Also do not rely soley on newspaper reports since they seldom mention the NHCs referring the TDs as Tropical Depression X and so on untill recently. Storm05 14:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

That isn't a good rationale. Calling it simply Tropical Depression is more accurate, as naming it with a number is incorrect otherwise. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Calling it simply Tropical Depression is confusing epescally if theres one or more tds in one season and it makes it difficult for the reader to determine of which td struck land or which did not, etc. and it appears you did not read my rataionalle all the way through. Storm05 14:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I did read your rationale all of the way through, and I still don't buy it. I think it is more confusing giving the depressions names when they shouldn't. For all you know, depressions back then could be the equivalent of a modern invest, given how many there were. The biggest point is that, pending some unlikely evidence otherwise, the depressions did not have official titles, and so a generic title is much more informative, correct, and useful than giving them numbers. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The spreadsheet I have of potential additions to HURDAT (ooooh...aaaah) shows tropical depression numbers from 1970 onward. The system in question does not appear to have been designated TD #7 in real time. The comments in the spreadsheet merely state "Surface obs show 1006-1008 mb and no tropical storm winds."

This gets to the heart of a debate that was initiated by the discussion regarding the Unnamed hurricane in the Central Pacific in September 1975. It was labelled as Hurricane 12 instead of Unnamed Hurricane. I argued that it was never known as a hurricane in real-time, let alone #12, and should have no designation outside the title Unnamed Hurricane for wikipedia/encyclopedia purposes. I guess the critics agreed, because it is still labeled that way. I would argue for removing the numbering of depressions before 1970, since it does not appear they were numbered in real-time. Along the same vane, I also argue for removing names like "Tropical Storm 8" and title them something like "Unnamed Tropical Storm - July 8-12, 1969". Thegreatdr 16:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

All around, I agree. Since it seems that depressions were numbered starting in 1970, I am in favor of removing all depression names (TD 7) prior to then. Additionally, you touch on a good point about Hurricane 12 in 1975. I wouldn't mind seeing those sorts of names gone for the named storm era. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

It appears tropical depression numbers were assigned operationally back to at least 1968 in the Atlantic Basin, but their numbering is the cause of significant consternation, as TDs were frequently renumbered after the fact. Newspaper articles don't appear to reference TD numbers on any kind of consistent basis until the mid 1980s. Thegreatdr (talk) 05:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

List of the 22 nondeveloping tropical depressions in 1969

This is from the reanalysis spreadsheet. Enjoy. I have nothing more specific than this information.

• April 18-22.......Western Atlantic.................Barely identifiable on surface maps
• April 27-May 1....Western Atlantic.................Weak 1011 mb low
• May 3-8...........Western Atlantic.................Broad low which may have been partially frontal
• May 27-30.........West Central/North Atlantic......Low moving northeast ahead of cold front
• May 28-June 1.....Western Atlantic
• May 28-June 3.....Western Caribbean
• June 6-10.........Northwest Caribbean..............1006-1008 mb low
• June 11-16........NW Caribbean/Gulf of Mexico......Surface analyses only show a surface trough
• June 16-19........NW Atlantic......................Deepening low moving northeast ahead of cold front
• July 24-28........Western Tropical Atlantic........1011 mb low
• August 6-8........Western Caribbean
• August 7-9........Gulf of Mexico...................1006 mb low
• August 23-27......Western Tropical Atlantic........1008 mb low
• August 24-29......Eastern Tropical Atlantic
• Aug. 29-Sept. 2...Western Atlantic/Gulf of Mexico..Barely identified on surface maps
• Sept. 5-11........Eastern Tropical Atlantic
• Sept. 10-13.......Western Tropical Atlantic
• Sept. 16-20.......Gulf of Mexico
• Sept. 18-21.......Gulf of Mexico...................1007 mb low
• Sept. 25-28.......Gulf of Mexico...................1006 mb low
• Oct. 3-7..........SW Caribbean.....................1006 mb low
• Oct. 8-12.........Central Tropical Atlantic

Thegreatdr 16:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Most of them would probably be just Invests under current standards. They probably had a much more liberal definition of "tropical depression" then as they had far less data to work with. CrazyC83 04:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe like the JMA's Minor Tropical Depression.--Neka 2008! 02:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

ACE

Why is there no table for the Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) of each storms in 1969 but there is for almost all other seasons? --12george1 (talk) 19:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in 1969 Atlantic hurricane season

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 1969 Atlantic hurricane season's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "mwr":

• From Hurricane Henri (1979): Herbert, Paul (March 26, 1980). "1979 Monthly Weather Review" (PDF). National Hurricane Center. Retrieved 2011-01-09.
• From Hurricane Francelia: Simpson, R.H.; Sugg, Arnold L. (April 1970). "The Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1969" (PDF). Monthly Weather Review. 98 (4). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: 293–306. Bibcode:1970MWRv...98..293S. doi:10.1175/1520-0493-98.4.293.
• From 1960 Atlantic hurricane season: Gordon E. Dunn (March 1961). The Hurricane Season of 1960 (PDF). United States Weather Bureau; Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory (Report). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Archived from the original (PDF) on 25 May 2011. Retrieved April 25, 2013. {{cite report}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 1962 Atlantic hurricane season: Gordon E. Dunn (April 1963). "The Hurricane Season of 1962" (PDF). Monthly Weather Review: 199–207. Retrieved 2011-10-07.
• From Hurricane Betsy: Arnold L. Sugg (March 1966). "The Hurricane Season of 1965" (PDF). National Hurricane Center. Retrieved 2012-04-13.
• From 1963 Atlantic hurricane season: Gordon E. Dunn (March 1964). "The Hurricane Season of 1963" (PDF). Monthly Weather Review. 92 (3). Miami, Florida: United States Weather Bureau. Retrieved June 29, 2014.
• From 1968 Atlantic hurricane season: Arnold Sugg and Paul Hebert (March 1969). "The Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1968" (PDF). National Hurricane Center. Archived from the original (PDF) on 29 June 2011. Retrieved July 24, 2011. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 1966 Atlantic hurricane season: Arnold L. Sugg (March 1967). The Hurricane Season of 1966 (PDF). National Hurricane Center; Weather Bureau (Report). Miami, Florida: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved May 24, 2014.
• From Hurricane Camille: R.H. Simpson, Arnold L. Sugg (April 1970). "The Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1969" (PDF). Monthly Weather Review. 98 (4). doi:10.1175/1520-0493-98.4.293. Retrieved 1 January 2014. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 1978 Atlantic hurricane season: Miles B. Lawrence (April 1979). Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1978 (PDF). Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory; National Hurricane Center (Report). Miami, Florida: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Archived from the original (PDF) on September 23, 2008. Retrieved June 3, 2014. {{cite report}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 1985 Atlantic hurricane season: Robert A. Case (July 1986). Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1985 (PDF). Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory (Report). Monthly Weather Review. Miami, Florida: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. pp. 1390–1405. Retrieved July 28, 2013.
• From 1971 Atlantic hurricane season: R. H. Simpson; John R. Hope (April 1972). "Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1971" (PDF). Monthly Weather Review. 100 (4). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: 256–267. Bibcode:1972MWRv..100..256S. doi:10.1175/1520-0493(1972)100<0256:AHSO>2.3.CO;2. Retrieved 27 January 2007.
• From 1924 Cuba hurricane: Charles L. Mitchell (October 1924). "Notes on the West Indian Hurricane of October 14–23, 1924" (PDF). U.S. Weather Bureau. Archived from the original (PDF) on 19 March 2009. Retrieved 2009-03-21. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 1998 Atlantic hurricane season: Richard J. Pasch, Lixion A. Avila, and John P. Guiney (December 2001). Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1998 (PDF). Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory (Report). Miami, Florida: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved May 9, 2013.{{cite report}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
• From 1980 Atlantic hurricane season: Lawrence, Miles B; Pelissier, Joseph M (1981). "Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1980" (PDF). Monthly Weather Review. 109 (7). American Meteorological Society: 1567. doi:10.1175/1520-0493(1981)109<1567:AHSO>2.0.CO;2. ISSN 1520-0493. Archived from the original on April 10, 2002. Retrieved July 23, 2012.
• From 1972 Atlantic hurricane season: R. H. Simpson and Paul J. Herbert (April 1973). "Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1972" (PDF). National Hurricane Center. Archived from the original (PDF) on 25 May 2011. Retrieved May 7, 2011. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 1965 Atlantic hurricane season: Arnold L. Sugg (March 1966). The Hurricane Season of 1965 (PDF) (Report). National Hurricane Center. Retrieved March 12, 2012.
• From 1959 Atlantic hurricane season: Dunn, Gordon E. (1959). "The Hurricane Season of 1959". Monthly Weather Review. 87 (12): 441–450. doi:10.1175/1520-0493-87.12.441.
• From 1933 Atlantic hurricane season: Charles L. Mitchell (1933). "Tropical Disturbances of July 1933" (PDF). Monthly Weather Review. 61 (7). American Meteorological Society: 200–201. doi:10.1175/1520-0493(1933)61<200b:TDOJ>2.0.CO;2. Retrieved 2012-06-02.
• From Hurricane Gerda (1969): R.H. Simpson, Arnold L. Sugg and Staff (1970). "Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1969" (PDF). American Meteorological Socitey. Retrieved 2007-03-30.
• From Hurricane Agnes: R. H. Simpson and Paul J. Herbert (April 1973). "Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1972" (PDF). Miami, Florida: National Hurricane Center. Retrieved January 7, 2012.
• From 1990 Atlantic hurricane season: Mayfield, Max & Lawrence, Miles (1991). "Atlantic Hurricane Season of 1990". Monthly Weather Review. 119 (8). National Hurricane Center: 2014. doi:10.1175/1520-0493(1991)119<2014:AHSO>2.0.CO;2. Retrieved March 8, 2011.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 06:14, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 03:52, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to review this interesting article. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 03:52, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Lead

As I am new to reviewing cyclone-related articles for GAN I took a look at GAs on the same topic. My comments are based on observations from some such GAs.

• The 1969 Atlantic hurricane season had the highest number... surpassed in 2005. I think the fact mentioned in this line would look good in the second or third line, but in the first line it makes it seem as if we had just left off the conversation on this and we are picking it up again.
• Rather, the fact of the third line could be used in the first like : "The 1969 Atlantic hurricane season was the busiest season since 1933" followed by the details on its duration. The line presently at first could be made the third line. Just take care not to link Atlantic hurricane season twice in the lead.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Neither the former or latter caused significant impact on land "Neither the former nor the latter..."

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

• Why not link Georgia?

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Hurricane Blanche was a small and short-lived tropical cyclones Why is cyclone in plural?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• If Hurricane Camille was most significant then you should also add the important dates for it.

• By important dates, I'm assuming you mean like peak intensity and landfall in Mississippi--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

That's right. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 15:39, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Central America has been linked twice in the lead

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• I think the note you have added in the lead about the damage figures should be placed in the main text.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Season summary

• Could we have center align for the timeline?

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• I think at least in the first line of the main text the year 1969 deserves a mention. Even if it is already there in the second line, it should be there in the opening line.

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Just curious, is it the convention in cyclone-related articles not to link terms like "tropical cyclones", "Storms" and "Category 3"?

• I realized that I didn't link tropical cyclones yet, so I fixed that. As for the other two, I personally do not like to link to those since "storms" is the same as "tropical cyclone" and "Category 3" doesn't seem like it would be all that useful to link to especially if the Saffir-Simpson hurricane wind scale is already linked to.--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Twelve of the eighteen named storms Elsewhere you say 18 instead of eighteen. Please check that you use either words or numbers for numbers, except for numbers 0-10 that must be in words.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Link Caribbean Sea, tropical cyclogenesis

• Done--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• with two tropical depression forming Plural

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• Camille and Debbie are duplinks

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Storms

• Very well-written.
• You could link some of the media names and local areas.

There are many duplinks (listed here by section):

• Tropical storm Anna: maximum sustained winds, barometric pressure
• Hurricane Blanche: Sable Island
• Hurricane Camille: 1935 Labor Day hurricane and Hurricane Andrew
• Hurricane Debbie: Lesser Antilles, Project Stormfury, Hurricane Camille
• Tropical storm Eve:low pressure area, rapid deepening
• Tropical Depression Twenty-Nine: low pressure area, Georgia
• Subtropical Storm One:Maine
• Hurricane Laurie:Bay Islands Department
• Hurricane Martha:maximum sustained winds
• Other storms: Yucatán Peninsula, Lesser Antilles

• I fixed all of these, I think--12george1 (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I guess you missed five of them, I fixed them. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:16, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

• References: Look reliable and sufficient in number. Are there no URLs for ref. nos. 15, 16, 26, 54?

• These are references for newspaper articles that formerly had a url, but that url has since rotted. I will check but I highly doubt replacements urls will be available for the articles from The Daily Gleaner--12george1 (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I believe the issues you have addressed are done with now. You can move on to the others. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 15:30, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Alright. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:16, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

The article looks eligible for GA status now. So I shall promote this. Cheers! Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:16, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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Merge proposal for Hurricane Debbie (1969)

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The result of this discussion was...Merge. OhHaiMark (talk) 12:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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I propose merging Hurricane Debbie (1969) into 1969 Atlantic hurricane season. This is because the only reason Debbie has a claim to fame is because the government attempted to sabotage it. This is adequately explained in the Project Stormfury and the season article, and a merge would not cause any article-size or weighting problems. OhHaiMark (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support: A thin article, whose story can and already is well told elsewhere. Drdpw (talk) 19:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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