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Goodness, can't we give some dates on contests, whether they were primaries, caucuses, or conventions, and so forth? Wikipedia's entries on old presidential elections are terrible. john k (talk) 21:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Fred Harris

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Fred Harris is mentioned as a candidate, as well as a "potential candidate who did not run". Which one is correct?Jeff5102 (talk) 11:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Primary contest

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Why does the contest list on both this and the Republican article for 1972, end on June 6th? At least one contest took place after this, in New York on June 20th.--86.141.46.179 (talk) 17:25, 26 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

Problems

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There are several specific problems with this article, beyond that it doesn't fully convey the unfolding narrative or the flavor of the campaign.

  • The statement in the lead that "The 1972 primary was the first major party primary to hold races in every state" is unsourced. As the table in "Statewide contest by winner" indicates, there were only 25 or so identifiable statewide contests with popular votes attached to them. The rest were caucuses, state party conventions, etc., which often had only partly conclusive results where the delegates chosen were often formally uncommitted but had leanings towards one candidate or another.
  • The statement that "Rep. Shirley Chisholm became both the first African American and first woman to win a presidential primary when she came in first in New Jersey" is not true in any meaningful sense and should be removed. In the June 6 New Jersey primary, there was a complex ballot that featured both a delegate selection vote and a non-binding, non-delegate-producing "beauty contest" presidential preference vote. In the delegate selection vote, McGovern defeated his main rival at that point, Humphrey, and won the large share of available delegates. Most of the Democratic candidates were not on the preference ballot, including McGovern and Humphrey; of the two that were, Chisholm and former governor of North Carolina Terry Sanford, Sanford had already withdrawn from the contest three weeks earlier. In the preference ballot voting, which the Associated Press described as "meaningless", Chisholm received the majority of votes. During the actual balloting at the national convention, Chisholm received votes from only 4 of New Jersey's 109 delegates, with 89 going to McGovern. (See Shirley Chisholm#1972 presidential campaign for the sources behind these statements.) Note that the New York Times obit for Chisholm said "She did not win a single primary".
  • The state-by-state map is very confused about what it is showing. Is it who won the primary or clear-cut caucus in that state? If so, there should be about 25 states showing results and the rest should be grey. Or is it who won the most delegate votes from that state during the actual roll call at the national convention? In that case there can be results for every state. To illustrate the confusion, Louisiana and Mississippi are colored for Chisholm, but she did not win those states at the time of delegate selection. During the state party selection processes, both states were battles between McGovern and Wallace forces, with the Louisiana ones being formally uncommitted and the Mississippi ones the subject of a credentials challenge. Then during the roll call, by which time McGovern's nomination was assured, some of his delegates cast symbolic votes for Chisholm instead (and there may have been some from disaffected Humphrey delegates too, in Mississippi). (Again, see Shirley Chisholm#1972 presidential campaign for the sources behind these statements.) For more examples, New Hampshire and Illinois are colored for Muskie because he won primaries there, but by the time of the convention roll call, both went to McGovern.

There's no one best solution to the map problem, but the way it is cannot stand, because it is using different criteria from state to state. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hearing no objections, I have done all of this, including commenting out the map and removing the 'states carried' totals. Awaits further work. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
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Delegate count

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Should we be including the numbers from the convention for the delegate count in the infobox? After all, these are not reflective of the delegates awarded during the primaries, as delegates shifted at the convention.
SecretName101 (talk) 23:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

True enough, but at least it is a determinable figure that is available for each state. I've tried to get rid of the colored map in the infobox several times, for the reasons given in the "Problems" section above, but it keeps coming back, and still with its inconsistent and inaccurate meanings. And what do the "Contests won" counts in the infobox refer to? If it's primaries or caucuses, the totals should not add up to 50 because there weren't that many of them. If it's delegate counts at the convention, the name should be changed to indicate that. I fear that none of the other editors on this article were around in 1972 and have a feel for how the whole process worked at the time. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:32, 2 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Why isn't New York highlighted in the graph?

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This was the first time New York held a presidential primary after all. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 23:26, 25 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

In Progress Contests Table

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Date Total Pledged
Delegate Votes
[Note 1]
Contest
[Note 2]
Delegates won and popular vote
McGovern Humphrey Wallace Muskie Jackson Mills Chisholm Sanford Fauntroy Lindsay Uncommitted Others Total
January 24 46 Iowa
Caucuses
[1][2][3]
[Note 3]
18 Delegates
~2,260 SDs
(~22.6%)
~160 SDs
(~1.6%)
18 Delegates
~3,550 SDs
(~35.5%)
~110 SDs
(~1.1%)
~130 SDs
(~1.3%)
10 Delegates
~3,580 SDs
(~35.8%)
~840 SDs
(~8.4%)
~10,000 SDs
January 29 25 Arizona
Caucuses
[4][5]
5 Delegates
102 SDs
(20.40%)
2 SDs
(0.04%)
9 Delegates
189 SDs
(37.80%)
2 SDs
(0.04%)
1 SD
(0.02%)
6 Delegates
118 SDs
(23.60%)
5 Delegates
85 SDs
(17.00%)
1 SD
(0.02%)
500 SDs
February 22 64 Minnesota
Caucuses
[6][7][8]
20 Delegates
?
33 Delegates
?
8 Delegates
?
3 Delegates
?
?
March 7 18 New Hampshire
[9][10]
6 Delegates
33,077
(37.92%)
348
(0.40%)
175
(0.20%)
14 Delegates
41,235
(47.37%)
197
(0.23%)
3,563
(4.09%)
8,521
(9.79%)
87,046
March 8 52 Washington
Caucuses
[11][12][13]
? 52 Delegates
?
?
March 11 53 Georgia
[14]
4 Delegates
?
1 Delegate
?
5 Delegates
?
30 Delegates
?
?
March 14 81 Florida
[15][16]
78,232
(6.19%)
6 Delegates
234,658
(18.56%)
75 Delegates
526,651
(41.65%)
112,523
(8.90%)
170,156
(13.46%)
4,539
(0.36%)
43,989
(3.48%)
82,386
(6.52%)
11,420
(0.90%)
1,264,554
March 21 170 Illinois
[17][18]
13 Delegates
3,687
(0.30%)
1,476
(0.12%)
7,017
(0.57%)
59 Delegates
766,914
(62.60%)
442
(0.04%)
777
(0.06%)
118
(0.01%)
80 Delegates 444,620
(36.29%)
1,225,051
March 25 20 Maine
Caucuses
[19][20]
[Note 4]
69 SDs
(3.23%)
1 SDs
(0.00%)
20 Delegates
473 SDs
(22.18%)
17 SDs
(0.80%)
2,133 SDs
April 4 67 Wisconsin
[21][22]
54 Delegates
333,528
(29.55%)
13 Delegates
233,748
(20.71%)
248,676
(22.03%)
115,811
(10.26%)
88,068
(7.80%)
913
(0.08%)
9,198
(0.82%)
75,579
(6.70%)
2,450
(0.22%)
18,264
(1.62%)
1,128,584
April 17 17 Idaho
Caucuses
[23]
7 Delegates
?
1 Delegate
?
3 Delegates
?
1 Delegate
?
5 Delegates
?
?
April 19 12 Vermont
Caucuses
[24][25]
[Note 5]
9 Delegates
354SDs
(30.84%)
6 SDs
(0.52%)
1 SDs
(0.08%)
3 Delegates
210 SDs
(18.29%)
1 SDs
(0.08%)
2 SDs
(0.17%)
48 SDs
(4.18%)
1,148 SDs
April 25 102 Massachusetts
[26][27]
102 Delegates
325,673
(52.65%)
48,929
(7.91%)
45,807
(7.41%)
131,709
(21.29%)
8,499
(1.37%)
19,411
(3.14%)
22,398
(3.62%)
2,107
(0.34%)
2,450
(0.22%)
13,953
(2.26%)
618,516
April 25 182 Pennsylvania
[28][29]
37 Delegates
280,861
(20.43%)
57 Delegates
481,900
(35.05%)
2 Delegates
292,437
(21.27%)
29 Delegates
279,983
(20.36%)
38,767
(2.82%)
336
(0.02%)
12 Delegates
610
(0.04%)
1,374,894
May 2 37 Alabama
Primary
[30][31]
28 Delegates
?
9 Delegates
?
?
May 2 76 Indiana
[32][33]
55 Delegates
354,244
(47.14%)
21 Delegates
309,495
(41.19%)
87,719
(11.67%)
751,458
May 2 153 Ohio
[34][35][36]
63 Delegates
478,434
(39.70%)
77 Delegates
497,538
(41.28%)
105,903
(8.79%)
97,896
(8.12%)
13 Delegates
25,423
(2.11%)
1,205,194
May 2 15 Washington, D.C.
[37]
20 Delegates
21,217
(71.78%)
8,343
(28.22%)
29,560
May 4 49 Tennessee
[38]
35,551
(7.22%)
78,350
(15.90%)
49 Delegates
335,858
(68.16%)
9,634
(1.96%)
5,864
(1.20%)
2,543
(0.52%)
18,809
(3.82%)
1,476
(0.30%)
3,912
(0.79%)
492,721
May 6 64 North Carolina
[39][40]
37 Delegates
413,518
(50.34%)
30,739
(3.74%)
9,416
(1.15%)
61,723
(7.51%)
27 Delegates
306,014
(37.25%)
821,410
May 6 39 Oklahoma
Caucuses
[41]
? ?
May 9 24 Nebraska
[42][43][44][45]
15 Delegates
79,309
(41.34%)
7 Delegates
65,968
(34.39%)
23,912
(12.46%)
6,886
(3.59%)
5,276
(2.75%)
377
(0.20%)
1,763
(0.92%)
1,244
(0.65%)
7,109
(3.71%)
191,844
May 9 35 West Virginia
[46][47]
7 Delegates 17 Delegates
246,596
(66.92%)
121,888
(33.08%)
5 Delegates 6 Delegates 368,484
May 13 3 Canal Zone
Convention
[48]
5 Delegates
?
1 Delegate
?
?
May 13 35 Kansas
Caucuses
[49]
12 Delegates
?
18 Delegates
?
?
May 13 44 Louisiana
Caucuses
[50]
8 Delegates
?
3 Delegates
?
29 Delegates
?
?
May 13 130 Texas
Caucuses
[51][52]
36 Delegates
?
(~25.00%)
21 Delegates
?
(~15.00%)
43 Delegates
?
(~30.00%)
30 Delegates
?
(~30.00%)
?
May 13 11 Wyoming
Caucuses
[53]
2 Delegates
?
2 Delegates
?
2 Delegates
?
1 Delegate
?
13 Delegates
?
?
May 16 53 Maryland
[54][55]
6 Delegates
126,978
(22.35%)
6 Delegates
151,981
(26.75%)
41 Delegates
219,687
(38.67%)
13,363
(2.35%)
17,728
(3.12%)
4,776
(0.84%)
12,602
(2.22%)
2,168
(0.38%)
18,848
(3.32%)
568,131
May 16 132 Michigan
[56][57]
38 Delegates
425,694
(26.81%)
22 Delegates
249,798
(15.73%)
72 Delegates
809,239
(50.96%)
38,701
(2.44%)
6,938
(0.44%)
44,090
(2.78%)
10,700
(0.67%)
2,913
(0.18%)
1,588,073
May 21 17 Hawaii
Convention
[58]
4 Delegates
?
12 Delegates
?
1 Delegate
?
?
May 23 34 Oregon
[59]
34 Delegates
205,328
(50.25%)
51,163
(12.52%)
81,868
(20.03%)
10,244
(2.51%)
22,042
(5.39%)
1,208
(0.30%)
2,975
(0.73%)
5,082
(1.24%)
28,734
(7.03%)
408,644
May 23 22 Rhode Island
[60]
22 Delegates
15,603
(41.21%)
7,701
(20.34%)
5,802
(15.32%)
7,838
(20.70%)
138
(0.36%)
41
(0.11%)
490
(1.29%)
251
(0.66%)
37,864
June 6 271 California
[61]
271 Delegates
1,550,652
(43.50%)
1,375,064
(38.58%)
268,551
(7.53%)
72,701
(2.04%)
28,901
(0.81%)
157,435
(4.42%)
26,246
(0.74%)
84,948
(2.38%)
3,564,498
June 6 109 New Jersey
[62][63]
71 Delegates
?
10 Delegates
?
28 Delegates
?
?
June 6 18 New Mexico
[64]
9 Delegates
51,011
(33.28%)
39,768
(25.94%)
9 Delegates
44,843
(29.25%)
6,411
(4.18%)
4,236
(2.76%)
3,205
(2.09%)
3,819
(2.49%)
153,293
June 6 17 South Dakota
[65]
17 Delegates
28,017
(100.00%)
28,017
June 20 278 New York
[66][67][68][69]
[Note 6]
251 Delegates
287,519
1 Delegate
17,116
8,694 4 Delegates
29,069
22 Delegates
116,698
?
June 24 13 Delaware
Convention
[70]
9 Delegates
?
11 Delegates
?
?
Estimated Delegate Votes 1,155 327 380 163 52 2 18 27 20 6 324 14 1,953

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  1. ^ Some States named more Delegates then they had votes, resulting in the voting power of those Delegates being dliuted. In New Hampshire for example 20 Delegates were named, even though New Hampshire was only allowed to have 18 votes; as a result, each New Hampshire Delegate had 9/10ths of a vote instead.
  2. ^ It was not uncommon for Presidential Primaries and Delegate Primaries to be held concurrently, or for them to have little relation to each other. Taking Illinois as an example, despite only Muskie and McCarthy being on the Presidential ballot, slates pledged to McGovern, McCarthy, Muskie and various local alliances took part in the Delegate Primaries. The same occurred in New Jersey, where McGovern won 71 of the delegates at stake in the Delegate Primaries despite not putting his name in the Presidential Primary.
  3. ^ These are estimates given the lack of hard data, and some candidates like Wallace, Mills or Lindsay may have been sorted within "Other".
  4. ^ Reported totals only accounted for 1/4th of the 2,133 State Delegates elected.
  5. ^ Based on unofficial, incomplete reports of the Caucuses.
  6. ^ Results are partial and only represent those within New York City and its immediate Suburbs.

1972 Campaign Endorsements (In Progress)

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George McGovern

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Hubert Humphrey

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George Wallace

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Edmund Muskie

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Scoop Jackson

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Wilbur Mills

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Shirley Chisholm

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Terry Sanford

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John Lindsay

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Eugene McCarthy

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Sam Yorty

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Vance Hartke

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Birch Bayh

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Fred Harris

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Can we not use the colored photos?

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I mean, seriously. The McGovern and Wallace one look awful - not to mention the Wallace one is from 1962 - and Chisholm isn't even in color. Let's make them either all color or just have no color, please. River10000 (talk) 03:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

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I say Eugene McCarthy should be added to the top candidate section at the top (with the pictures yk)

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He finished with 3.41% of the popular vote, more than Sanford, Mills, Chisholm and Lindsey, so i say he should be added (maybe then remove Mills) Leikstjórinn (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

The reason why Sanford, Mills, Chisholm and Lindsey are included in the infobox but not McCarthy is because even they are in the same boat as McCarthy having less then 5% of the popular vote, they secured at least more then 5 delegates at the 1972 DNC, while McCarthy didn’t even secure a single delegate
hence not meeting the two qualifications for a primary election and 2/3 for a general election to be included on the infobox which are
  1. gain at least 5 delegates in a primary (can override Rule 2)
  2. Have at least 5% of the popular vote
  3. Run for or be the nominee of a major political party (i.e; Republicans or Democrats; Primarily used in the general presidential election)
HistorianL (talk) 16:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply