Wikipedia

Talk:1985 World Snooker Championship

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Nigej in topic Greenwich Mean Time?
Learn more about this page
Featured article1985 World Snooker Championship is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
Good topic star1985 World Snooker Championship is part of the 1985 World Snooker Championship final series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 21, 2019Featured article candidateNot promoted
March 8, 2020Good article nomineeListed
March 8, 2020Good article nomineeListed
July 10, 2020Featured article candidatePromoted
October 20, 2020Good topic candidatePromoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 21, 2019.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the 1985 World Snooker Championship holds the record for the highest-rated post-midnight broadcast in the United Kingdom?
Current status: Featured article

Final

edit
Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The Final actually ended on the 29th April...

All the best,

Cris Freddi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.193.152 (talk) 11:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

Yes,stayed up with the rest of the TV audience into the middle of the night to see his overturning of a huge early deficit against the Nugget with that final black victory,accompanied by enthusiastic celebrations! After receiving the trophy and the adulation that goes with it he chose to treat the audience present (and briefly the lingering TV cameras) to his repetoire of jokes while back in his home town of Coalisland in County Tyrone there were reportedly several hundred people partying it up in his street with a brass band going full pelt at 3 o'clock in the morning.

Qualifying for the 1985 Embassy World Championship

edit
Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
  FYI

G Rigitano beat D Sheehan 10-9; G Rigitano beat B Harris 10-4; G Rigitano beat B Kelly 10-6; G Rigitano beat M Fisher 10-2; N Foulds beat G Rigitano 10-8

D O’Kane wo J McLaughlin; D O’Kane beat V Harris 10-5; D O’Kane beat F Jonik 10-5; D O’Kane beat L Dodd 10-7; D O’Kane beat D Martin 10-8

S Longworth beat J Giannaros 10-1; S Longworth beat G Cripsey 10-8; J Van Rensburg beat S Longworth 10-7; M Gauvreau beat J Van Rensburg 10-9; D Reynolds beat M Gauvreau 10-1

R Chaperon beat R Bales 10-7; R Chaperon beat L Heywood 10-1; R Chaperon beat P Morgan 10-3; F Davis beat R Chaperon 10-9; R Williams beat F Davis 10-6

Dennis Hughes beat D French 10-5; S Newbury beat Dennis Hughes 10-9; S Newbury beat P Burke 10-3; S Newbury beat G Scott 10-2; E Hughes beat S Newbury 10-6

M Hines beat T Chappel 10-8; M Hines beat P Watchorn 10-4; M Gibson beat M Hines 10-7; P Fagan beat M Gibson 10-8; P Fagan beat C Wilson 10-9

D Fowler beat J Hargreaves 10-0; D Fowler wo G Watson; D Fowler wo J Caggianello; D Fowler beat J Donnelly 10-0; J Parrott beat D Fowler 10-2

R Foldvari wo P Thornley; R Foldvari beat B Oliver 10-3; R Edmonds beat R Foldvari 10-3; R Edmonds beat M Wildman 10-7

D Chalmers beat D Greaves 10-3; D Chalmers beat E McLaughlin 10-9; D Chalmers beat I Black 10-4; M Hallett beat D Chalmers 10-1

G Foulds beat M Parkin 10-6; G Foulds beat C Everton 10-2; G Foulds beat C Roscoe 10-7; J Johnson beat G Foulds 10-6

P Medati beat B Bennett 10-4; P Medati beat I Williamson 10-8; P Medati beat W King 10-9; S Francisco beat P Medati 10-7

I Anderson beat T Kearney 10-8; P Browne beat I Anderson 10-5; M Morra beat P Browne 10-6; J Campbell beat M Morra 10-9

W Jones beat John Rea 10-3; W Jones beat J Dunning 10-6; W Jones beat M Watterson 10-5; W Jones beat G Miles 10-8

M Bradley beat D Mienie 10-4; M Bradley beat B Mikkelsen 10-9; J Wych beat M Bradley 10-7; J Virgo beat J Wych 10-4

P Francisco beat B Demarco 10-4; P Francisco beat Tommy Murphy 10-4; P Francisco beat J Meadowcroft 10-5; M Macleod beat P Francisco 10-7

T Jones beat M Darrington 10-2; T Jones beat S Duggan 10-8; T Jones beat J Fitzmaurice 10-4; T Jones beat E Sinclair 10-2

188.29.8.15 (talk) 00:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC) RalphReply

edit
Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on 1985 World Snooker Championship. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 09:48, 15 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

edit
Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on 1985 World Snooker Championship. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 23:51, 15 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

edit
Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 04:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Various bits

edit
Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

>Question - any reason why Spencer's 1969 and 1971 tiles weren't included in the tally of titles of previous winners who were participants? I've added them. >I've removed "the eleventh consecutive year the championship was contested through the modern knockout format" - don't think this is right.

Source for items below: ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The Guardian and The Observer, retrieved 5 September 2016. Refs need to be put in the right format!

John Dunning, who suffered a heart attack at the Rothmans Grand Prix the previous October, was back playing for the first time. He ended his session 3-6 down against Wayne Jones.[1]

All competitors to be tested for illegal drugs, in line with Sports Council recommendations. Banned substances are those already prohibited in other sports. Decided at WPBSA board meeting 9 April 1985. Also to apply for WPBSA tournaments in future - penalties (after appeal process exhausted) to be fine equivalent to prize money won in that tournament, loss of ranking points from that tournament, ban from the next six ranking tournaments. Second offence would lead to lifetime ban.[2]

First round: Knowles led 4-0, Tony Jones made it 4-4. Then 5-4 to Knowles. Jones led 8-5 but lost 10-8. Knowles, as first winner in the tournament, was the first to take a drugs test.[3]

Testing via urine samples in presence of a doctor and a tournament official. analysis takes about a week, so in later stages results will be after end of tournament. The results will not detect beta blockers, drugs which could help players. Testing at instigation of Barry Hearn. There had been rumours of drug taking in the sport..[4]

No breaks above 30 in first 3 frames of Higgins v Reynolds. Reynolds won frame 5, Higgins won session 8-1. Virgo led Meo 5-4. Griffiths v Williams was a slow match. Session finished after 7 rather than 9 frames, Griffiths leading 6-1.[5]

Griffiths' 6-1 lead over Williams tool 3hrs 38 mins. Highest break in that match was 51. Meo took 6 frames in a row in 2nd session and beat Virgo 10-5. Charlton leading J Campbell 6-1.[6]

Daily Star had published a story 15 April 1985 alleging drug abuse by a snooker start, relying on statements said to be from Silvino Francisco. Francisco finished his first session 8-1 down. He claimed the Daily Star headline was a "total lie".[7]

S. Fransisco lost 10-2 to Dennis Taylor. Taylor won Irish Prof Championship, beating Higgins 10-5 in the final, the previous week, and was playing well, including break of 128. Reardon (age 52) had worn glasses in two tournament before using a green eyeshade in B&H Irish Masters, but wore neither when winning 10-9 against Hughes. Hughes had won their previous two matches in the season. Patsy Fagan had been suffering from a "psychological block which rendered him unable to strike even the cue ball when using a rest" had qualified, led Thorne 5-4.[8]

Franciso and Rex Williams (WPBSA) chair held join press conference. Williams said no evidence of drug use in the sport. Francisco apologised to Kirk Stevens, the player named in the Daily Star articles.[9]

Fagan's psychological block around using the rest had developed following a car accident, but ended six months before 1985 world championship. He beat Thorne 10-6. Spencer, suffering from double vision and having only won two matches all season, lost 10-3 to Parrot. Werbeniuk had not won any matches all season, but beat Joe Johnson 10-8 including a 143 in the 10th frame, 3rd highest break in championship history to that point.[10]

Stevens beat Edmonds 10-8 but was did not play to the standard expected of top 4 player. Knowles 4-4 Mountjoy. Hallet 7-3 Thorburn, became 8-8.[11]

Davis 3-0 David Taylor, later 6-3. Davis won 13-4, including breaks of 100 (8th frame) and 105 (11th frame). Griffiths was trailing Higgins 2-3 but ended session 5-3 ahead. Meo 4-4 white. [12]

Griffiths beat Higgins 13-7, winning 3 of last 4 frames - it had earlier been 5-5. Reardon 4-4 Fagan.[13]

Reardon fluked back to lead Fagan 8-5, it was 9-7 to Reardon at the end of the session. Parrot 6-2 Stevens.[14]

Reardon's cue tip came off a few shots away from beating Fagan. Fagan lent him his own cue to complete the match.[15]

Parrot led Reardon 4-0 then 5-3. Knowles was on break of 137 but lost position on the pink and missed black - if he had potted it, would have beaten Werbeniuk for high break of the tournament. Knowles led White 5-2. Taylor led Thorburn 4-0 then 4-2. Session finished after 6 rather than 8 frames - took 4 hours 14 minutes. 6th frame took 58 minutes. However, Taylor vs Thorburn 2reamined interesting … because of the high quality of the tactical play." Davis went in-off the black to lost first frame against Griffiths. Griffiths took 4-0 lead but Davis levelled at 4-4.[16]

Griffiths was behind to Davis 10-6, then fouled a ball with his waistcoat, and ended up losing 13-6. Knowles 5-3 then 8-6 and 9-7 against White - Knowles break of 89 in the 16th frame. Taylor beat Thorburn - highest break of the match was 70. 9 hours 45 mins of play to get to 10-5 when it was adjourned at 1.21am. Parrott 93 break to lead Reardon 7-3, lose next two, then 114 to lead 9-5. 9-7 at end of session.[17]

Reardon was behind 9-5, won 7 frames in a row to lead Parrot 12-5 before winning 13-12. Taylor was behind 2-0 to Knowles but led 5-3 at end of sessiom.[18]

Taylor started his tournament two days after beating Higgins for Irish title. From 5-3 ahead, led Knowles 9-3 then 10-5. Knowles asked for another chair because of light shining in his eyes. This was provided, and the light was dimmed during the mid-session interval. David 5-2 then 9-5 against Reardon.[19]

Taylor won 6 consecutive frames to complete 16-5 win over Knowles. Knowles play was at lower standard than in earlier rounds. Taylor had been 10-5 at end of previous session. Bookmakers odds on him beating Davis in the final were 9/4 but reduced to 7/4 following money placed on him to win. [20]

At 8-0 to Davis, Coral bookmakers reduced to odds on an 18-0 whitewash from 300/1 to 100/1.[21]

For the first time in it's history, the Irish Times stopped it's presses shortly after midnight on sunday, to be able to print the result.[22]

Sources for items below: The Times Digital Archive. Retrieved 6 September 2016. Refs need to be put in the right format!

Steve Longworth scored the first century of the competition. Clearance of 100 in 11th frame to take 6-5 lead over Cripsey.[23]

Newbury made a 134 break v Burke. Chaperon break 110 and 101 v Burke. Chalmers a 107 v Black.[24]

Fowler had highest break of qualifying, 137, but still lost 10-2 to Parrott.[25]

WPBSA Drugs Testing. List of banned substances includes "narcotics, steroids and stimulants affecting the central nervous system"[26]

Quote from Virgo, beaten by Meo: "I don't think Tony played well enough to beat me. It was the run of the balls that beat me. That's the way it has been for me for six years. I can't explain it. I practice hard. I play well, but sometimes that is not enough. You need a bot of luck in this game and I didn't get any at all."[27]

BBC coverage involves 140 staff and estimated to cost £3million. about 90 hours of coverage. Around £5m staked in bets on the tournament - one person bet £5,000 on Jimmy White to win, would win £43,750. Coral bookmakers have abetting shop in the Crucible foyer for the event. [28]

Dennis Taylor signed five year contract with Barry Hearn, 6 May 1985.[29]

Victory parade in Coalisland for Taylor, driven in Land Rover, holding trophy, through crowd of 10,000. Accompanied by his wife and three children. Presented with mayoral robes for the day.[30]

Thanks for your help with this. This looks very in depth, might even be FA level stuff here, so that's fantastic. No reason for the missed world titles, other than me being dumb. I'll take a look through. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ SPORT IN BRIEF. 1985.The Guardian (1959-2003), Apr 01, p.27. https://search.proquest.com/docview/186550100?accountid=17321.
  2. ^ Drug tests imposed: SNOOKER Everton, Clive; The Guardian (1959-2003); Apr 10, 1985; ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The Guardian and The Observer;pg. 25
  3. ^ Top two forced to struggle: SNOOKER Our Correspondent; The Guardian (1959-2003); Apr 13, 1985; ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The Guardian and The Observer;pg. 24
  4. ^ Drug snooker tests can't detect; Foster, Jonathan;Hale, Janice ;The Observer (1901- 2003); Apr 14, 1985;ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The Guardian and The Observer pg. 3
  5. ^ A soft blow for the Hurricane;Hale, Janice. The Observer (1901- 2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]14 Apr 1985: 39.
  6. ^ Griffiths and Meo start in the pink: SNOOKER; The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]15 Apr 1985: 25.
  7. ^ Cue for a throng; Pithers, Malcolm. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]16 Apr 1985: 21.
  8. ^ Francisco now the fallen star: SNOOKER; Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]16 Apr 1985: 26.
  9. ^ Snooker player denies drug-taking claims; Pithers, Malcolm. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]16 Apr 1985: 30.
  10. ^ Fagan's rest cure: SNOOKER; Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]17 Apr 1985: 26.
  11. ^ Edmonds makes Stevens work: SNOOKER;Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]18 Apr 1985: 26.
  12. ^ Davis smoothly into last eight: SNOOKER Everton, Clive The Guardian (1959-2003); Apr 19, 1985; ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The Guardian and The Observer pg.24
  13. ^ Griffiths blows out the Hurricane . Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]20 Apr 1985: 15.
  14. ^ Griffiths is back taking pot luck with the past, Hale, Janice. The Observer (1901- 2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]21 Apr 1985: 39.
  15. ^ Timely tip for Reardon. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]22 Apr 1985: 22.
  16. ^ Parrott fashions overnight lead: SNOOKER. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]23 Apr 1985: 26.
  17. ^ Davis in mood to break prize barrier: SNOOKER. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]24 Apr 1985: 26.
  18. ^ Reardon recaptures his touch. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]25 Apr 1985: 26.
  19. ^ Taylor closes in on the final: SNOOKER. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]26 Apr 1985: 24.
  20. ^ Victory Taylor-ed for Davis. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]27 Apr 1985: 14.
  21. ^ Taylor at the last: SNOOKER. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]29 Apr 1985: 27.
  22. ^ Taylor's pot of gold: SNOOKER. Everton, Clive. The Guardian (1959-2003); London (UK) [London (UK)]30 Apr 1985: 29.
  23. ^ "Snooker." Times, 2 Apr. 1985, p. 26. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/BdsMsX. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019. Gale Document Number: GALE|CS437883010
  24. ^ "Sports in Brief." Times, 3 Apr. 1985, p. 28. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/BdsR76. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019. Gale Document Number: GALE|CS470257795
  25. ^ "Sports in Brief." Times, 6 Apr. 1985, p. 31. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/BdsTv8. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019.Gale Document Number: GALE|CS521638022
  26. ^ Nicholson, David. "Top snooker players face tests for drugs." Times, 10 Apr. 1985, p. 1. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/BdsUt5. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019.Gale Document Number: GALE|CS17404042
  27. ^ "Snooker." Times, 15 Apr. 1985, p. 26. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/BdsZt6. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019. Gale Document Number: GALE|CS437227663
  28. ^ Davenport, Peter. "Letter from Sheffield." Times, 19 Apr. 1985, p. 34. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/Bdsgd1. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019. Gale Document Number: GALE|CS572362899
  29. ^ Friskin, Sydney. "Snooker." Times, 7 May 1985, p. 26. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/Bdt3v6. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019. Gale Document Number: GALE|CS437227687
  30. ^ "Snooker ace's triumph." Times, 7 May 1985, p. 1. The Times Digital Archive, http://tinyurl.gale.com/tinyurl/Bdt5D1. Accessed 6 Sept. 2019. Gale Document Number: GALE|CS17272999

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion

edit
Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 12:22, 14 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

edit
Latest comment: 4 years ago37 comments2 people in discussion
GA toolbox
Reviewing
This review is transcluded from Talk:1985 World Snooker Championship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 14:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)Reply


Comments


That's a quick run through from me, sorry about the delay in getting these comments to you, hope they help. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

not a problem, it's a long article after all! I have a few things going on right now, but I should be able to cover all this pretty quickly. Thanks for the review. :)
Thanks for taking a look at this one for me, The Rambling Man. I've addressed all of the above. I did have a couple questions though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Looks great. I'll promote. Good work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Problems with Final table

edit
Latest comment: 4 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion

I've discovered some discrepancies in the tabulated results for the final at bottom of Main draw section.

  • According to the sources (e.g. this BBC one), there were just 7 frames played in the first session. I picked that up in January and fixed it in the body of the article in this diff. The table of results for the final currently says "Session 1: 8–0" but it should say "Session 1: 7–0". After the 9 frames played in the second session, the score was 9–7, so the session result should read "Session 2: 2–7 (9–7)" not "Session 2: 1–8 (9–8)". I'm not sure about sessions 3 and 4 but they might also be scewed by one frame. If there were 8 frames played in the third session, this should read "Session 3: 4–4 (13–11)" but that needs checking out.
  • Steve Davis' highest break is shown as 87, but which frame was that in and why is it not indicated anywhere in the results table? I can see that he made an 86 in frame 25 but I can't find an 87.
  • The winner of each frame is shown with a dagger symbol (†) but the winning score is also indicated with bold text, so I'm wondering if the daggers are overkill and therefore superfluous because it's clear from the bold/not-bold figures who won the frame.

I'm busy looking through the rest of it and will put my comments on the FA page soon. Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'll take a look at this later. The daggers are a MOS:ACCESS thing. Screen readers can't understand the importance of enbold. The bold itself is superfluous, but there isn't consensus for removal. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
I have made the additional changes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Lee Vilenski: It’s still wrong. There were only 8 frames in the third session. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Try that Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Greenwich Mean Time?

edit
Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

It says "The final frame lasted more than an hour, finishing after midnight Greenwich Mean Time." As it was in late April, should that not be British Summer Time? If it was 12:23am BST that would only be 11:23pm GMT. 82.20.53.85 (talk) 15:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, local time changed to British Summer Time on 31 March 1985. See eg https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/257801102/ Nigej (talk) 15:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Add topic
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:1985_World_Snooker_Championship&oldid=1196222983"