Talk:1989 (album)/GA1

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 15:37, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

• Los Angeles → Los Angeles, California
• New York → New York City, New York (as it could be Brooklyn, New Jersey...)
• Do the same with the rest

• For well-known locations I won't add the associated state/country to avoid clumsiness, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Lead

• Inspired by 1980s synth-pop for Red's follow-up → Inspired by 1980s synth-pop

• not done I feel like it'll cut the context out and frustrates the reader btw Red and 1989 (Red's follow-up), HĐ (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Can you re-write it in a different way? It sounds like it was released together with Red and it didn't' draw inspiration from it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:26, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• whose key figures included Martin, Shellback, and Jack Antonoff, → aren't you saying the same on two sentences before "a result of Swift's collaborations with pop producers Max Martin and Shellback."

• That was for Red, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Got it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:26, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• effectively eschewing her signature country sound. → already mentioned above regarding the critics

• done

• It won Album of the Year at the 58th Grammy Awards → It won Best Pop Vocal Album and Album of the Year at the 58th Grammy Awards
• win the category twice. → win the latter category twice.

• done

 Done

Background

• Taylor Swift released her fourth studio album Red in October 2012 to commercial success; the album debuted atop the US Billboard 200 with first-week sales of 1.2 million copies → Taylor Swift released her fourth studio album Red in October 2012 with contemporary critics notincing the album's emerging departure from Swift's signature country styles of previous releases. (otherwise fancruft)
• "22", "I Knew You Were Trouble" and "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" → release dates in between brackets

• Given that they are all included on Red I won't add brackets because it'll be super clunky, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I can see your point of view. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• The album's associated world tour ran from March 2013 to June 2014 and grossed over $150 million → remove it, fancruft
• Swift had been dubbed by the media as "America's Sweetheart" because of her wholesome public image. During promotion of Red, her reputation was suffering from what The New York Times called "a backlash" resulting from her overexposed romantic relationships with high-profile celebrities. Swift avoided discussing her personal life in public, as she believes that talking about it can be a "career weakness". → how is this vital to the article?

• It gives a clue on how Swift's themes shifted to more wistful and mature perspectives (cue 'Blank Space', which satirised the media perception of Swift being a man-eater), HĐ (talk) 07:18, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

If you can give examples as you did with Blank Space, with sources, regarding the last topic it would be awesome. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:17, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

• all done, HĐ (talk) 04:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Production

• support of Red → support of the aforementioned album

• not done an instance of WP:ELEVAR, repitition of Red in this case is fine I think, HĐ (talk) 04:11, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

If the sentece was longer, how about "Swift began songwriting for 1989 in mid-2013, when she was touring in support of Red."? By this point, the album probably didn't have a name but 1989 it is the follow up. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• I'll try to find another way because that Swift titled the album 1989 is in the second para, and since I wanted to shape this section in a narrative form, it's arbitrary to mention the name 1989 right at the forefront, HĐ (talk) 03:00, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

• ;the former and Swift served as executive producers →, with the former and Swift serving as executive producers (flows better) + sources at the end of the sentence

• I personally avoid using 'with' but let's see... HĐ (talk) 04:11, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• The Hideaway Studio → located at? By the way, if it is not indicated how do you know?

• I mean I'm having the booklet here and it says "The Hideaway Studio" with no location, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

How that works if you say on the notes "The location of The Hideaway Studio, where "Clean" was recorded, is not indicated in the liner notes of 1989" ? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

For other songs, for example, 'Blank Space', the text would list out the studio name + location (Recorded at MXM Studios in Stockholm, Sweden etc.). For 'Clean' only, it only says 'Recorded by Imogen Heap at The Hideaway Studio, which I'm pretty sure is a pseudonym for Heap's home studio in London. Anyways, since all other studios' locations are indicated but not The Hideaway Studio, I added a note to explain the situation, HĐ (talk) 13:46, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I get it now. Thanks. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• You are always talking about the standard edition, don't you want to mention the deluxe? or both together, instead of producing 2 Jack Antonoff produced 3?

• Little BTS info is given about the three deluxe edition tracks; thus far that's all I can write, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Fine by me. Only two issues two address here.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Music and lyrics

• Closing tracks of the standard edition → The closing tracks
• Any particular order of the songs? It's not by singles or album tracklist

• The songs in the third para revolves around Swift's wistful perspectives on love; the fourth para discusses songs in a more 'randomized' order I believe, as the themes the songs in the fourth para discuss spread from satirizing the media to talking about love with a playful view (as Swift only shared BTS inspirations on a few tracks only), HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I ge the idea now. Just adress the rest.

 Done

Pre-release promotion

• Fine

Distribution

• both the standard and deluxe editions...through retailer services globally → missing deluxe on the source and it only links to the US iTunes
• The following day, Apple announced that it would pay artists during the free trial period → source on the end of the sentence

• Reworded, HĐ (talk) 03:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• The following day, Apple announced that it would pay artists during the free trial period. Swift thereafter agreed to keep 1989 on the streaming service. → can you make one sentence out of these? The reading doesn't flow well MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• I can only turn the full stop to a semi-colon; Swift did not announce she'd keep 1989 on Apple the same day Apple announced the royalty plan so..., HĐ (talk) 03:33, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Singles

• were released through iTunes Stores (as promotional singles) → source?
• I would replace the MTV source as it calls "Out of The Woods", incorrectly, the second single
• As the other singles have peaks for other countries such as Australia, UK, Cananda...so should Blank Space have.

• 'Blank Space' alr has two records mentioned in the article, so readers can know more abt this in its separate article, HĐ (talk) 04:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

• Style" followed on February 9, 2015,[71] → source at the end of the sentence.
• The video won → It won

• not done "It" can either be the song or the video, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Can it? It won Video of the Year... MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Reworded; the rest is all done, HĐ (talk) 14:08, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

• Wildest Dreams" served as the follow-up single on August 31, 2015,[75] → same as with Style
• US as promotional singles → US as promotional singles one at a time.
• Previous promotional single "Out of the Woods" → "Out of the Woods", previously released as a promotional single, was issued
• and distributed the first, "Wonderland" → the iTunes source joined with the others.
• Wonderland".[79] "You Are In Love" followed on February 24,[80] and "New Romantics" was made available on March 3.[81] → same as with style

• Addressed all, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Live performances

• "Love Story" and "I Knew You Were Trouble" → brackets for the year of release and unlink "I Knew You Were Trouble" as it is already linked above
• Concurrently with the release → Is it still going?

• Concurrently means simultaneously, so no, it's over, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I read currently, my bad. Adress the other. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Critical reception

• while noted → regardless of

• not done the sentence is discussing the critic, not the album itself, HĐ (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

How about, while noted → noticed, flows better. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Accolades

• 1989 placed at number six on Metacritic's list of the best-received records of 2014 → 1989 was the sixth best-received record of 2014 on Metacritic's list

• not done I don't see how the change would foster better flow... HĐ (talk) 03:58, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

It's just the wording. Can you reword it? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• I don't really like the phrase "the sixth best-received record of 2014"; it's a list compiled on independent data, and the 'sixth best-received record' sounds like it was ranked by Metacritic while in fact, it's not... HĐ (talk) 03:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

• of the year → of 2014
• by various publications → in various publications
• Jon Caramanica → Caramanica

• As this is a new section I think it's better to write out his full name not incl. wikilink, HĐ (talk) 04:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Sure, but his name is already on the above section, you can use the surname as it's the same person. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• received two awards for → received awards for
• was for Fearless in 2010 → was for Fearless (2008) in 2010

 Done

Commercial performance

• thanks to the emergence → due to the emergence (I get the meaning of the sentence, but let's not use metaphors)
• third week of release,[133] → source at the end of the sentence
• It also made Swift the female artist with the second-highest number of weeks at the top spot, at 35 weeks, only behind Whitney Houston, who spent 46 weeks at number one. → I would add the "previously reported" source here as well, and where is a source for Swift weeks?

• It's pretty weird it's not in the source, which I remember to have the cited info... Either way, removed the unfounded claim, HĐ (talk) 04:10, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Can't you find it? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Sadly it's nowhere to be found now. That's weird actually..., HĐ (talk) 03:36, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

• 1989 spent 53 weeks in the top ten → can you merge this with another sentence? It breaks down the reading

 Done

Ryan Adams's cover

• Rock singer Ryan Adams → American rock singer-songwriter Ryan Adams

 Done

Track listing

• Fine

Personnel

• Studio locations → mixing, recording. Be more precise.

 Done

Weekly charts

• Fine

Year-end charts

• Fine

Certifications and sales

• It wasn't given a certification in France remove it from this table. Add the sales to the commercial performance section. The same goes for Worlwide sales, nobody gives a worldwide certifcation.
• Please add streaming as a true parameter on the table.
• So I have seen articles that only include "real sales" on the commercial performance and let the table only with streams and sales included. I would do such as we don't talk about real sales anymore but rather certified units. Nevertheless, I'm open for discussion on this matter.

• I'd personally keep pure sales data; the Certification Table Entry template has "Sales" data in addition to "Certified units" for a reason, HĐ (talk) 07:19, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Fine by me. Adress the rest MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

• I wouldn't remove France+WW sales figures for the same reason as well; the template has the parameter |nocert=true for purpose of listing sales figures w/o certs, HĐ (talk) 03:49, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

It might have the parameter, but the WW figures have never been awarded a certification. You claimed those in the prose so it's fine. It has yet to be award a certification in France, just add the sales to the prose. Can you show me some FA article like this? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• There are a few like Thriller, Control etc. While I think there's no problem removing WW sales from this table, I wouldn't remove the French sales given that the album was not particularly successful in France, thus it'll be of triviality to add that to the prose, HĐ (talk) 03:38, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

You have a point there, it would be trivial to add to the prose. Remove the WW from the table and leave the french ones there. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Release history

• Put the references together like in reference 243.
• Missing standard CD for Germany
• dr.com.tr → not sure what is this?

• That's just the retailer website, HĐ (talk) 04:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done

See also

• Fine

References

• Source 30 is dead → target

 Done

External links

• Fine

Overall

• I did not forget the commercial performance section, I will review it later, in the meantime, you can address the other issues. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
• @HĐ: Take a look if you are fine with the minor edits I did. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

• I removed the New Romantics overlink; I'm not sure if |streaming=true is needed... Otherwise I'm good to go ;) HĐ (talk) 09:20, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I didn't noticed it was already linked. It is needed due to the album being certfied 9 times platinum in the US only selling 6 million copies, the other 3 million are due to streaming. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:35, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

• That said the sales figures are sourced, hence no place for the sales+streaming indicators... I'm not sure if readers can understand but I'm fine anyways, HĐ (talk) 13:17, 3 August 2019 (UTC)