Talk:1991 Perfect Storm/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 01:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello again! I'll take on the review for this article in a sec. --Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 01:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Criterion 1

Lead

• "within an extratropical system" - Like, a storm system?
  • Yea, I changed it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Wikilink "ridge" to "Ridge (meteorology)".
  • I did once it was used in the MH. I didn't want to overlink the lede. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "It later received the name the Perfect Storm after" - Should "the Perfect Storm" be surrounded by quotations?
• Should you wikilink "Nova Scotia"? (The one to which I refer is in the last sentence of the top paragraph)
  • I like it! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "The tropical system weakened" - Isn't it extratropical?
  • No, it transitioned, per "the system evolved into a full-fledged hurricane". --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• To clarify, can you include the H.W. in the George Bush wikilink?
  • I can do that. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "book and later movie The Perfect Storm." - Two things: firstly, is it possible to individually link to the movie and to the book? Secondly, you should italicize The Perfect Storm.
  • OK, good call. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "Offshore New York" --> Off the shore of New York.
  • Ehh, I disagree. It works fine now with fewer words. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• In the above comment, also clarify if it is the state or city.
  • I changed it to Long Island to clarify. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "and although four member of its crew" - four members of its crew :P
  • I had to read that two times before I realized my numbering errorz. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "High waves swept a person to their death in Rhode Island and Puerto Rico" - in Rhode Island and Puerto Rico each?
  • Yep. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• You should specify that the man on the bridge died too.
  • Sure. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "little impact, limited to power outages" - little impact, and was limited to power outages"
  • K. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Should "Newfoundland" be wikilinked?
  • Nah, I avoided linking all of the locations in the lede. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• It might be more accurate to say that the fifth helicopter guy remained missing instead of that he was killed.
  • Well, that implies he is still missing. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Meteorological history

• If you wikilink "ridge" in the lead, the wikilink in this section is unnecessary.
  • See above (I didn't). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "was executing a counter-clockwise loop" - What does this mean? (Not a GA concern, just I never really fully understood)
  • I changed "executing" to "moving in". --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "a NOAA located at" - a NOAA buoy (?) located at
  • Oops. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Can you wikilink "warm-core center"?
  • Done. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Warnings and preparations

• Can you specify that Dare County is in North Carolina? It isn't really clear from the text where it is.
  • OK, I thought all of the NC talk made it clear, but no prob. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "Later, ferry service between Nova Scotia" - When you say later, can you find how long the delay was until the service was canceled?
  • It was actually earlier, so I made the writing simpler. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Quotations

• Can you merge this section with another one? I don't really see why it has to exist.
  • I converted it to a quote box. I like the quote. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Impact

• "The Halloween Storm of 1991 left significant damage" - replace "left" with "caused"?
  • "caused" gets boring. Is it ok if I leave it? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
    • On a second glance, yeah, it works. I dunno; I guess it just sounds awkward to me. :P --Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 05:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "and lack of leaves on trees" - "few leaves left on trees"? I think it's called a faulty parallelism, but there is something iffy with this sentence.
  • Better? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "the Andrea Gail. The vessel was a swordfishing boat " - The Andrea Gail, which was a swordfishing boat"
  • Changed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• As with the lead, can you find a way to reword the sentence as to wikilink individually both the book and film for The Perfect Storm?
  • OK. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "tugboat named the Tamaroa" - Two things. Firstly, italicize the ship's name. Also, can you specify that it was a Coast Guard cutter?
  • No problem. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "hypothermic waters" - I don't think waters can be hypothermic. Can you rephrase it something like "waters capable of causing hypothermia"?
  • IDK, I think that just makes it really unnecessarily long. It's not that uncommon. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Alright. I'll take it. --Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 05:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• "remained missing and was never found" - The "remained missing and" part is unnecessary.
  • I like it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• As with the lead, can you clarify that George Bush was George H.W. Bush? I know that the then-president part should be clear enough, but it is confusing on a first glance.
  • Lousy Republican dynasty! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Wikilink "moratorium" and "Outer Banks"?
• If Bush was the then-president, shouldn't James(Jim) Florio be the then-governor?

Criterion 2

• The article discusses how half of the total damage costs in Maine were to property, while the rest was to transportation, seawalls, and the like. Reference 1 (linked via the "i" ref) doesn't make a reference to how the damage costs in Maine were divided.
  • It's in the "Maine" citation ([1]). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• The article also discusses how, outside of Massachusetts, southern New Jersey was the next hardest-hit. Ref 1 doesn't make a claim to this either.
  • It's at the top of the page - "New Jersey (Southern) $75,000,000". --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• The article states that damages in North Carolina cost $6.9 million. Reference 1 says $6.7 million.
  • Don't know how that happened, thanks for catching it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• This version of reference 5 discusses that the convergence of weather conditions were described as "perfect" for such a storm's formation. This isn't stated anywhere in the reference.
  • Fixed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• 75 miles per hour, the maximum sustained winds of the Perfect Storm, equates roughly to 65 knots according to Google. I could find neither in reference 10.
  • I added the best track database to back up the peak intensity. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reference 12 cites a passage that says there are a "lack of observation sites". The ref says that there aren't enough, not that there weren't any at all.
  • My bad in the wording. I didn't mean a complete lack. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reference 16 leads to a database of reports on NWS reports out of the Raleigh office. Use this page instead.
  • K. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reference 19 did not mention how the waves were 3 feet higher than expected from normal circumstances, as is cited.
  • Yea, it says "High tide was more than 3 feet above normal in Maine." --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Criterion 3

• In the Warnings and preparations section: "which prevented an early warning in one instance." - I don't really understand what "in one instance" means. Can you specify?
  • Not really, actually. That was what was in the source. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• This is just a suggestion, but in the Impact section, you could say that the counties in Massachusetts included the one including Boston (Suffolk County).
  • Good call. Does what I did work? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Looks good. --Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 05:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Criterion 4

The article does not appear to be biased towards any specific point of view.

Criterion 5

There are a few IP edits in recent times, but all appear to have been in good faith and accurate. The article is stable.

Criterion 6

• Why is the caption in the infobox picture italicized?
  • I have no idea, actually. There are no italics in the coding. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Italicize Tamaroa in the ship's picture.
  • OK. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Overall comments

Whoa, those online scanned preliminary report refs were difficult to read. :P

I'm glad I reviewed this article. Hurricanehink, you made it very informative, and I appreciate that. :) I'm putting the article on hold for now until all the issues are addressed, so let me know if you have any questions. --Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 03:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yea, not to mention the Google news stories got difficult when they started on one page and ended 20 pages later. But, I thank you for your excellent review. I believe I addressed all of your comments. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, my apologies for the mess-ups in interpreting reference information. :P Anyways, you've done a good job addressing all but two at the bottom of this section. Once those are resolved, I'll pass this as a good article. :) --Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 05:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how I missed those! Heh, no problem in your interpretation. You were going for the record-longest GA review, I gotcha :P --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Haha. Believe me, I am nowhere close. :D Anyways, good work on yet another article! I'll pass this in a sec. --Starstriker7 - public^(talk) 14:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• For future reference, NHC reports normally use an assumed "we" when it comes to the issuance of other products in lieu of NHC advisories, since the NWS is "one team working together." This does not mean they issued anything in relation to the storm other than this storm report, and recon data in real-time. If a system is north of 31N latitude, none of the mentioned warnings originate from NHC. Coastal waters forecasts are issued by NWS WFOs (back then WSFOs) more info here on the CWFs. High Seas forecasts were issued from MPC (which became OPC a decade later) that far north. Back then, Offshore Marine Forecasts for the system would have been originated from the Boston WSFO. This product didn't leave WSFOs and fold into the operational products of MPC or TSB (now NHC's TAFB) until the mid 1990s. I've tried to correct the article for these issues. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.