Talk:1996 Football League First Division play-off final
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Sources
editPlay-offs
edit- First legs
Done - Second legs Done
Background
edit- Observer
Not done - Guardian Done
- Guardian ITV Done
- Sunday Mirror Not done
- Sunday Life Done
- Sunday Tribune Done
- Daily Mirror {not done}}
- Liverpool Echo Done
- Leicester history Not done
- Palace history Not done
- Guardian Done
- The Times Done
- The Times Done
- The Independent Not done
- The Independent Not done
- Guardian odds Done
- The Independent odds Done
- Leicester top scorer: Iwan Roberts (20 goals; 19 in league, 1 in League Cup)
- Leicester second top scorer: Mark Robins (10 goals; 6 in league, 4 in League Cup).
- Leicester source: <ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Glenda |editor1-last=Rollin |editor2-first=Jack |editor2-last=Rollin |title=Rothmans Football Yearbook 1996–97 |year=1996 |publisher=Headline Publishing Group |location=London |isbn=978-0-7472-7781-1 |pages=200–201, 577–581, 602–603}}</ref>
- Palace top scorer: Dougie Freedman (20 goals; all in league).
- Palace second top scorer: Bruce Dyer (14 goals; 13 in league, 1 in FA Cup).
- Palace source: <ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Glenda |editor1-last=Rollin |editor2-first=Jack |editor2-last=Rollin |title=Rothmans Football Yearbook 1996–97 |year=1996 |publisher=Headline Publishing Group |location=London |isbn=978-0-7472-7781-1 |pages=140–141, 577–581, 602–603}}</ref>
Match
edit- Guardian Done
- 11v11
- Irish Independent
- Daily Mirror
- Reading Evening Post
- Evening Herald Done
- Liverpool Echo Not done
- Liverpool Echo Done
- Hammersmith and Shepherd's Bush Gazette (!) Not done
- The Independent Done
- Irish Times
- The Times Done
Post-match
edit- Guardian Done
- Palace following season Done
- City following season Done
- Leicester Mercury Done
- Daily Telegraph
- LCFC
Statement Quality Predictions
editHi, Here are a few statements that were flagged as having POV issues by an AI. I'm posting these here for feedback and evaluation of the predictions. The related discussion can be found here. Each example contains the statement that was flagged by the AI as having minor POV issues along with the probability score of the prediction and the five possible words that led to the flagging. Note that all of the words will not be relevant but one of them is expected to be the reason for such flagging. The statements were taken from the article as on 30th November, 2020.
- In an interview 20 years later, Claridge refuted that he had scored off his shin, claiming "It didn’t hit my shin, that was a stupid thing to say ..."
- Probability: 0.9681972
- The biggest talking point of extra-time came with just seconds to go; Martin O'Neill sent on his substitute goalkeeper Zeljko Kalac, expecting the 6 ft 7in keeper to be a better bet at saving penalties than Kevin Poole.
- Probability: 0.7394836
- He added that he was "dreading penalties" having converted just one spot kick from six attempts during his career.
- Probability: 0.7043451
- Journeyman Claridge, who had moved to Leicester City from Birmingham City in March, described his winning strike as "the most important goal of [his] life" but admitted that it "went in off [his] shin".
- Probability: 0.62054914
Noting that some of the flagged statements are in quotes, but I'm still posting them for feedback and have a conversation if the predictions make sense.
Pinging User:The_Rambling_Man regarding the update. We can discuss if a different format is more helpful after this initial posting. Sumit (talk) 21:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
GA Review
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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 09:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Route to the final
with the first leg being played at
— As in other articles, I would explicitly mention the two-legged tie.a disagreement with manager Martin O'Neill
— Any details?- No, not in the source. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
made it 1–0 to the visitors. Leicester City won the tie 3–1 on aggregate and progressed to the final.
— Looks like we're missing quite a bit here—three goals aren't even mentioned.- Typo, the agg win was 1–0. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Shaun Newton capitalised on a rebound from Palace's goalkeeper Nigel Martyn
— What minute?the on-loan Kenny Brown
— Where was he on loan from?overhead kick
— Link to bicycle kick?- David Whyte — Suggest "[name of team]'s David Whyte"
- Tweaked to avoid quick repetition. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Background
Iwan Roberts with 19 goals and Emile Heskey on 7
— Any non-league goals?- Looked again and found Roberts had a League Cup goal, Heskey just league, but added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
sustained a rib injury
— Any details (broken, bruised, etc.)?- Just "damaged" so no detail. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Robins
— Should have full name/link.Dyer was second-top scorer with a total of 14 goals
— All in the league?O'Neill would make a bid for Keith O'Neill
— No relation, I assume?an elbow injury ... Hopkin remained an injury doubt
— Any details?
Summary
Leicester made their final substitution of the game to bring on 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) tall goalkeeper Zeljko Kalac in anticipation of a penalty shootout
— General question: I take it you can't substitute the goalie once the extra period is over? What if he gets injured during the shootout?- Great questions. You can't do it "tactically" but if the goalkeeper is injured, you can. As long as you have enough substitutions remaining... I think! Take a look at the article, it's really interesting, especially points 12 through 16. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks. Take a look at which article? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:22, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Great questions. You can't do it "tactically" but if the goalkeeper is injured, you can. As long as you have enough substitutions remaining... I think! Take a look at the article, it's really interesting, especially points 12 through 16. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Claridge
— Needs full name/link.With less than a minute remaining, Claridge struck the winning goal from a Julian Watts header, and eleven seconds later, the referee blew the final whistle.
— No injury time, huh?In the final minute of the additional 30-minute period ... With less than a minute remaining
— The implication is that these moves happened in the same minute. Any word on how many seconds apart?- None, it's altogether possible they happened in the same minute. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- For a two-hour game, this section feels fairly short. Anything that could be added?
- It is short but as you can see from the variety of sources in the article, I've scoured for mostly everything. I'll take another look and see. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Turns out I'd already checked Gale, ProQuest, BNA and Google. Nothing more to add sadly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
O'Neill was given a £5 million budget to make additions to the Leicester City squad
— To compete in the Premiership?- I imagine that would be the case! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
References
- #10 — Suggest sfn footnote, and moving Smith & Taylor to a "Bibligraphy" section.
- #13, 14 — Likewise, suggest moving to "Bibliography" and using sfn footnotes.
- #15, 16, 18, 22, 24, 33 — No paid subscription needed (may I suggest removing that from your newspapers.com template?)
- #29 — Paid subscription needed
Overall
- The Rambling Man, over to you. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Usernameunique all addressed/responded to. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Usernameunique anything more needed here? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, I just need to read through your responses and edits. I'll take a look now. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, looks good, passing now. One question above. Also, take a look at the edit I just made re: reference formatting, and see if you like it—it's a slightly more elegant method, I think. But undo the edit if you don't like it. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's fine, thanks. Responded above. Cheers for the review. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, looks good, passing now. One question above. Also, take a look at the edit I just made re: reference formatting, and see if you like it—it's a slightly more elegant method, I think. But undo the edit if you don't like it. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, I just need to read through your responses and edits. I'll take a look now. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)