Talk:2006 New Jersey state government shutdown

take advantage of wikipedia

with our open source nature, we can have a full scale FA quality article out of this, before another encyclopedia even compiles its sources for a new edition. therefore, this article needs to go under wiki-fying. this includes, adding causes, writing about the disagreement with corzine and the nj statehouse, writing effects of this as they develop as well as the final results. pictures of the closed casinos would be useful as well. (anyone in the AC area have the ability to take pictures that can be put into public domain. Any other suggestions, feel free to list them here.--ZeWrestler ^Talk 13:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

We need to make sure this is written like an encyclopedia article. Even though it is a current event, we need to write about it in past tense. Also, we want to keep it NPOV. Timrem 23:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

We had a similar situation in Puerto Rico during May 2006. Everything is detailed on 2006 Puerto Rico budget crisis. That might help you a bit. —Drowne | Talk 18:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to clean this up. It'll need some more expansion to be a FA, and a pagemove as well. Also I caught a little scurrility seeping in around the casino closures bit. 68.39.174.238 01:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

References

I would love to get rid of that last unreferenced tag (especially since I wrote the section) but the best thing I can find right now is that actual text of the bill. Is this a reasonable cite to have someone read all the way through? It's long, and I don't know if it's worth putting in to eliminate the last questionable section.

I have no objections to citing the act itself. I'd think that would be preferred since it's the actual source, as opposed to a secondhand rendition. 68.39.174.238 01:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

We have all made this worthy of an FAC, I think. Would love to finish poishing it up. --Jim Miller 19:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• I think it still has some work. Corzine wasn't the only player from what i remember hearing on the news. Wasn't there a guy roberts involved?--ZeWrestler ^Talk 00:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, Assembly Speaker Joseph J. Roberts. I feel that a FA nomination would be premature. The introduction needs to be expanded (at least 2 paragraphs), more detail in the "cause" section is needed, some of the bulleted information should be written in prose, and copyediting is needed. Accurizer 00:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, that's what WP:PR is for ;D. 68.39.174.238 01:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree that an FA nomination is still premature. Furthermore, I have a feeling this will effect the upcoming elections for the New Jersey State Assembly. Therefore, in addition to polishing this up, I believe this article should not be nominated until after the elections are over. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 14:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Also, more players like Roberts need to be mentioned in this article as well. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 14:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
• Shouldn't we go for a good article before we try to get it featured? I don't know what it is, but it doesn't quite "feel" good enought to be featured to me --Phantom784 14:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Either way, it cannot receive good article status without having the sources fully cited. Meaning that the {{fact}} sourced and removed from the article.--ZeWrestler ^Talk 15:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Further backstory/election?

I admit I wasn't paying that much attention, but wasn't the sales tax fight over the deficit and Corzine's campaigning over reducing it, hence the staunchness, etc? If so it might help to explain WHY he was so insistant on the +1%. 68.39.174.238 01:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Princeton completly losses funding

I was reading in the Trenton Times this week that there was a small clause in the new budget that the state shall withhold funding for private institutions with endowments of over 1 billion dollars. Princeton University is the only university in NJ that makes more than 1 billion. I want to include that in the article, but i can't find the newspaper the article was in, and can't find another source that provides the same information. Can someone help out? --ZeWrestler ^Talk 14:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

This maybe? 68.39.174.238 06:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. It's been added into the article.--ZeWrestler ^Talk 15:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Elections

Did this have an effect on the November elections? --ZeWrestler ^Talk 05:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe in Menendez's, but he got elected anyway. I pretty strongly suspect Federal/national issues overrode this, especially since most of them were ongoing or more recent and this ended in about a week. Unfortunately, that's an opinion and I don't know of any sources. 68.39.174.238 00:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Lottery

I just checked the NJ Lottery web site -- there were numbers drawn on July 2 and beyond [1], so can someone clarify how the New Jersey Lottery shut down immediately? —Twigboy 22:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Unresolved as of 15:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC). Since the results of the July 2, 2006 drawing are no longer on the lottery webpage, I refreshed the link above to point to the Internet Archive.—Twigboy (talk) 15:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Nomination

This article might pass good article criteria if the introduction was improved. See Wikipedia:Lead section.User:calbear22 (talk) 17:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• I'll look into fixing it up a little later. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 18:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

GA on hold

Okay, prose, stability and images are okay. However it could do with more references and the should be using citation templates. It seems NPOV but I don't know the issue in enough depth to be sure, but it could do with being a bit broader. There must have been more debate and in fighting in the legislature during this person, who were the major actors in the parties? Any outside interests or lobbying? Perhaps a bit more on the effect of the shut down upon people?- J Logan ^t: 13:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

No change, failing;

Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of March 4, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass

2. Factually accurate?: Bit more referencing and use of templates please

3. Broad in coverage?: Needs more depth on issues surrounding it, seems a bit shallow

4. Neutral point of view?: Bit more depth on the political divides behind it would let me rest on this

5. Article stability? Pass

6. Images?: Fine copyright and use, positioning could be better though

Small issues, get sorted and it will be fine

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— - J Logan ^t: 19:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I have converted all of the existing references to citation tempplates. We just need to ensure that additions are done the same way. Jim Miller (talk) 19:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

• Jim, great job with your changes to the article. I've started looking into adding some meat to the lead. I think a few more sentences should do the trick here. If any one has any ideas of something to add to the intro, feel free to make necessary changes. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 14:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2006 New Jersey State Government shutdown/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

• Format the references according to WP:CITE/ES, preferably using {{cite web}}.
• "effective October 1, 2006. The" – link the year
• Several paragraphs throughout the article go unreferenced. Please add references where appropriate.

Gary King (talk) 03:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I have reformatted the references as appropriate ({{cite news}} for online versions of paper publications and {{cite web}} for web-only refs), wikified the unlinked year, and added additional references and inline cites. Jim Miller (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

• The lead will flow better if it was broken up into two paragraphs. For instance, the first paragraph would discuss Background, Causes, and Shutdown, and the second would discuss aftermath-related issues including Post-shutdown governmental action, Effects, and Political influences.
• "July 4th. The" → "July 4. The" – link it, also. Do this to all the other dates that have superscripts, which are discouraged.

Gary King (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

• wikified dates and broke the lead into 2 paragraphs. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 20:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

• "Post-shutdown governmental action" almost reads like proseline. Perhaps reword some of the paragraphs.
• En dashes are required for numerical ranges like "2-1" per WP:DASH

Isn't this example in the article already an en dash? --ZeWrestler ^Talk 14:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Regular dash is like this: -. En dash is this: –. Em dash is this: —. They increase in length. Gary King (talk) 17:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, well it appears that JimMillerJr took care of the example you gave and I took care of a second one in the reference. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 20:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

• For times, like "7 a.m.", add the full clock; i.e. "7:00 a.m."

Gary King (talk) 20:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Updated the time as requested --ZeWrestler ^Talk 22:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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More comments:

• "New Jersey Legislature " – "New Jersey (NJ) Legislature " – so that when you use NJ later in the article, people know that's what it means
• Reword the beginning of the paragraphs in "Post-shutdown governmental action" so that they don't all begin with "On". Perhaps make some of them passive voice, etc.

Gary King (talk) 21:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Both issues have been addressed. The rewrite of that section was really needed. Jim Miller (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Question Given another edit that was made afterward, might it be better for the flow of the lead section to just remove the later references that say "NJ Legislature", and simply use "legislature" instead? I don't believe that there would be any confusion as to which legislature is being referred to later in the article. Jim Miller (talk) 13:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure; however, it should probably be capitalized as "the Legislature" since it refers to a specific one. Just for future reference, when an acronym is used in an article, the first time it is used, it needs to explain what it stands for, and in brackets like my example above. Gary King (talk) 21:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Are there any updates? Gary King (talk) 05:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe that all of the raised issues have been addressed at this point. Jim Miller (talk) 06:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Many of the references are now missing publishers and access dates. Please add them, per WP:CITE/ES. Gary King (talk) 06:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Jim Miller (talk) 15:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• "State Government - State Constitution. Retrieved on November 14, 2006." – still missing a publisher
• "№ 17" – try to avoid fancy symbols when possible, so change this to "number 17"
• "3½%" – "3.5%" – this is so that other people can edit these symbols, and read them, too, since they are not always visible to all devices
• "on fur clothing[26]; an" – references go after punctuation marks per WP:FN
• Same for "day[27]; and "
• Please check the article over one more time for similar issues :)

Gary King (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the noted items. Also adjusted some wording for tense issues, and clarified part of the casino shutdown paragraph. Jim Miller (talk) 18:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

This article has been an interesting read; I remember hearing about the event and I was surprised. Anyways, this article now meets the Good Article criteria and has therefore passed. Gary King (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Dead link

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Misunderstandings

1. What does mean: "The constitution also includes a provision in the previous paragraph preventing appropriations from going into red ink"?
2. Could you source this: "the New Jersey Supreme Court had interpreted this to exclude loans made to cover shortfalls, and Corzine claimed that the state had a poor credit rating anyway"? --Синкретик (talk) 08:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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This looks like a decent article. I'd suggest expanding the lead to summarize the article per WP:LEAD and then submit for GA if all looks good. Morphh (talk) 2:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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