Talk:2008–09 Australian region cyclone season

Post season

Weak Tropical Low

Perth STWOs

All Outlooks 2009-05-10 to 2009-05-19

Season summary

ID	Date (ACST)	TC Name	Original Basin	Source
01U	2020-11-17	*Bernard	Indian Ocean	TCWC Perth
02U	2008-11-17	Anika	Indian Ocean	Database
03U	2008-12-15	Billy	NW Aus	Database
04U	2008-12-21	--	GoC	TCWC Darwin
05U	2008-12-23	--	Coral Sea	TCWC Brisbane
06U	2009-01-10	Charlotte	GoC	Database
07U	2009-01-11	*05F	Coral Sea	TCWC Brisbane
08U	2009-01-24	Dominic	W Aus	Database
09U	2009-01-31	Ellie	Coral Sea	Database
10U	2009-02-03	Freddy	Indian Ocean	Database
11U	2009-02-04	--	Coral Sea	TCWC Brisbane
12U	2009-02-11	--	WA	TCR
13U	2009-02-18	*Innis	Coral Sea	TCWC Brisbane
14U	2009-02-25	--	GoC	TCR
15U	??	??	??	??
16U	2009-02-28	Gabrielle	Indian Ocean	Database
17U	2009-03-05	Hamish	Coral Sea	Database
18U	2009-03-15	Ilsa	Indian Ocean	Database
19U	2009-03-19	--	Coral Sea	TCWC Brisbane
20U	2009-03-23	Jasper	Coral Sea	Database
21U	2009-03-23	--	GoC	TCWC Darwin
22U	2009-04-11	*15F	Solomon Islands	TCWC Brisbane
23U	2009-04-17	Kirrily	Arafura Sea	Database
24U	2009-05-10	--	Indian Ocean	TCWC Perth

Location Of Advisories

Tropical Cyclone Three Day Outlook Jakarta \\ Perth \\ Perth \\ Darwin \\ Brisbane

Tropical Cyclone High Seas Warning Jakarta \\ Perth Cyclone 1 \\ Perth Cyclone 2 \\ Darwin \\ Brisbane

Tropical Cyclone Technical Bulletin Perth 1 \\ Perth 2 \\ Darwin \\ Brisbane

Main Pages Jakarta \\ BoM \\ JTWC

Archives BoM \\ Jakarta

JTWC:

ABIO10 \\ ABPW10

Cyclone 1 \\ Cyclone 2 \\ Cyclone 3

Unisys Archives

Best track

Archives

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Dates (DD/MM)

The DD/MM date format should be used since the area this article covers uses the same dating format. Per WP:DATE "Strong national ties to a topic" Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the more common date format for that nation. Bidgee (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

No - In certain subject areas the customary format may differ from the usual national one: Jason Rees (talk) 19:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

And how is the Australian cyclone season customarily wedded to US date formats ?. I've changed this back....changing one set of dates and leaving the rest (the majority) in a different format breaks MOS rules (consistency) anyway and looks silly. I do suggest that you try to seek consensus here for this contested change - Peripitus (Talk) 10:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Peripitus - this is an article with strong ties to Australia, thus Australian formatting and spelling should be used. Textbook application of WP:ENGVAR. Please stop changing the dates to other formats. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC).

I can see no reason for US over international dates apart from the fact that they were already here. But, the logical conclusion to that argument is that any improvement to an article is invalid as it wasn't there at the start. --Merbabu (talk) 03:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

So they actually list the number on the Technical summary now?

I notice with the technical summary for the latest low, they have issued a number identification with it. Example Identifier: 17U

All I can say is, thank goodness. Hopefully they keep doing this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclonica (talk • contribs)

Edit: Sorry, I didn't notice they did it with 16U as well. I guess they do plan to keep doing it. Nevermind. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclonica (talk • contribs)

Not to worry Cyclonica - Im personally glad they have started to use it within their technical bulletins. Jason Rees (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Season impact section

Could anyone please convert the wind speed measurements is this section from 'mph' to 'kph'. This is an Australian article, and Australians won't give a care about any imperial measurements. I realise templates are used to create the table, which is why I can't change them myself. 123.2.177.50 (talk) 11:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

There should be a km/h section but also think mph section should be kept. Bidgee (talk) 13:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, mph should be kept, sorry I was misleading. I fully support both units used throughout. However, the season impact section does not, which is just not right. Hopefully, someone with programming knowledge can fix this problem. 123.2.177.50 (talk) 14:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll ask someone who knows how to work with the template to see if he can add a km/h field to it. Cyclonebiskit 15:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hamish – differences in forecasts by BoM and JTWC

I wonder wether the differences between the forcasts between the BoM and the JTWC origin in different calculations or are due to different times of issue. However, the time gap between the issues of JTWC 08 and BoM 33 is marginal. --Matthiasb (talk) 13:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The JTWC issues a warning every 12 hrs, while the TCWC when there a warning is effect issues a forecast issuance every 3 hours. - グリフオーザー (talk) 19:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible Tropical Low 21U

TCWC Brisbane's latest 3 day forecast for the Southwest Pacific indicates two Tropical Lows in the forecast area.

The monsoon trough extends across far northern Cape York Peninsula and the northern Coral Sea. A small low is embedded in the trough just south of Port Moresby, and is not expected to develop significantly. Another broader low lies over the northeast Coral Sea near 13S 157E. Environmental conditions may gradually become more favourable for the development of this low late this week, however the probability of it becoming a tropical cyclone in the next three days is low.

Tropical Low 20U (or what we believe is 20U) is the low located near 13S 157E, due to the development potential in the long term. However, as has happened previously with this article, weak lows are sometimes included in the U identifier list and missed. I'm not adding it to the article, because in the long term 20U is likely to develop, and it may shed some light on the U number with the Technical Summary, but I'm making a reference of it here. It formed on March 17. There is also the possibility that Tropical Low 19U isn't even included in the identifying U chart, in which case 20U would obviously need to be subtracted to 19U.

If only they listed them when the numbers were given out, not just on Technical Summaries! Would make it a lot easier.

What was 19U I have also subtracted to 18U based on the Technical Summary for Tropical Low one in the Indian Ocean. This could possibly indicate that what is listed as 19U (west of TCWC Perth's forecast area) wasn't given an identifier at all, hence my above comment. Sorry about the large block of text. :P Cyclonica (talk) 14:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

This is just my guesswork here but i think it fits in - The TL in the SWIO will have been designated as 19U -however it was mistaknely refered to as 18U as 19U was first mentioned in the Perth TWO at the same time as 18 was reffered to in Darwins TWO. As for 21U it will be needed to be added in at some stage but it might be worth waiting and seeing wat happens over the next 24 hours Jason Rees (talk) 17:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It's odd that they didn't count the Perth tropical low after they continued to monitor it as one west of 90E. -- グリフオーザー (talk) 19:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Numbering issues

According to one of the recent technical bulletins issued by the BoM, what we thought was 20U is actually 19U. I don't know what to do with the original 19U so I've just removed the numbering for the time being. Cyclonebiskit 12:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Heh this is the second time in a week that this has happened (turned out 19U was 18U as well). Thank goodness for the Technical Summaries.Cyclonica (talk) 13:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Unless Jakarta issued a number on the low i suggest that we remove it Jason Rees (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Tropical Low (91S) probably would have been numbered by Jakarta since it was ID at 10S as a Tropical Low by BOM Perth -- グリフオーザー (talk) 14:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

There is some discrepancies here, which I can't ignore anymore. Unless there is a source that confirms the BoM numbered a low by a number, I propose their designation be stripped. I see guesswork has been done, which is definitely not encyclopediac. It's also very bad to have logs say

Tropical Low 06U [1002 hPa] from TCWC Darwin 2009-01-08, 0400z @ 17.0ºS 139.0ºE.

when the link provided doesn't include a number. If adequate links can't be found within the next week, I will remove the numbers. That said, it is likely the BoM will have a list after the season is over. If you can refrain from your guesswork until then, we should be good. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Hink As u will remember i sent an email to BoM the other week during the Christmas pierod which came back as saying Anika was 01U - Bernard 02U etc - Now i went through the logs the other week when we got told that 16U had formed which we all thought it was 13U and double checked the logs and whilst its unsourced i checked which low was which and it was quite straight forward to workout which one was which. Also it is not likely that the BoM will have a list after the season as if they did wheres last seasons? as they have used the U for several years now.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to just email the BoM again? -- RattleMan 17:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

An email is not a webcite, that is my biggest qualm with the numbering. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Tropical Weather Outlook never reveal the number so the 06U was implied in that webcite. The number came from what number came after the last number used in the archive discussion with BOM noting a tropical low has formed. -- グリフオーザー (talk) 01:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Unnumbered Tropical Low

I can't quite understand why this is in the article at all. On top of that, it's been listed in the time graph thing that it's been there for almost half a month, which it hasn't, it's been west of 90e, which isn't in Australia's region, and it wasn't even assigned a U designation. I personally think it should be removed entirely, it's not the least bit noteworthy.Cyclonica (talk) 03:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It probably should be in the other storm section like Wpac. Hurricane Typhoon Cyclone 04:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. If it had of went into the Australian region it would have been numbered. Bidgee (talk) 04:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the unnumbered tropical low since there has been no opposition to it. Cyclonebiskit 21:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Ilsa (Izilda?)

Could there be a chance that Ilsa will crossover and be renamed Izilda before it weakens even more? --Yue ^{of the North} 20:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Yep almost certainly - Update or maybe not Jason Rees (talk) 00:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Where has Jasper come from ? Jason Rees (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Tropical Low 19U --Yue ^{of the North} 21:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Except Brisbane have now labbeled Jasper as 20U - on a side note im surprised Reunion arent issuing advisories yet Jason Rees (talk) 22:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Ilsa has weakened to below TC status, so it would likely be Ilsa-11R. update: 11R has been designated to another area of disturbed weather, so it may be Ilsa-12R.125.240.29.218 (talk) 00:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It is still 0.1 degree of latitude from the SWIO.--Yue ^{of the North} 01:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Mauritius Meteorological Services FQIO25 FIMP 240000

AT 24/0000UTC, EX-TROPICAL CYCLONE 'ILSA' (AUSTRALIA) 1005HPA WAS
CENTRED WITHIN 25NM OF 19.3S 90.1E.

MOVEMENT WEST-SOUTH-WESTERLY 14 KT.

-- グリフオーザー (talk) 01:25, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

"Tropical Disturbance" now, 20.7S 87.8E (no designated number) - グリフオーザー (talk) 16:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there a policy on the U designation numbers now?

The reason I ask is due to a current Tropical Low in the northern region which is very likely already labeled 21U (and probably was when Darwin identified it in capital letters). Obviously, we should wait until Technical Summaries are released to name designate them their numbers (as what has happened in the past has been very wrong with this article).

My question: Despite things being pretty obvious that this system IS already 21U, should we always wait for Technical Summaries, which would in my opinion, provide a more consistent article? Cyclonica (talk) 02:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

21U or **J? - but anyway i think thats the general consensus Jason Rees (talk) 02:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think all of the numbers need a source, and we should not do any guessing. If only five storms in the season have their numbers confirmed, then only the five should get the numbers. Guessing is a bad thing, especially if we missed something. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

What you mean 21J? It's not in Jakarta area of responsibility until it gets at 125E.. The low formed at 129E.

Anyway if this low does get a name it would probably be Hibu or Ila from Papa New Guinea list. - グリフオーザー (talk) 05:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Its definatly not going to get a name from Papua New Guineas list and according to the TCOP for the region Jakarta have responsbilty for the land areas that are above 10S Jason Rees (talk) 15:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. Then I am confused when the Jakarta's Tropical Cyclone Outlook states that its AOR is from 90-125E north of 10S. The Tropical Low's current location is 8.5 129.3E. - グリフオーザー (talk) 16:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Basically primary warning responsibilty is remaining with Darwin for now but jakarta has warning responsibilty for the islands that are to the north of Australia which are a part of Indonesia. Also its probbably going to be named Kirrly 16:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused, if the Tropical Low is above 10S, shouldn't it be in Jakarta's AoR? --Yue ^{of the North} 19:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I think this could clear the problem:

• BOM will monitor all tropical cyclones that form between 90°E and 160°E, issuing special advisories when a cyclone forms in either TCWC Jakarta's or Port Moresby's area of responsibility.

So the IP above (there's no sign, just date & time) is right. It will be named by the BOM, because TCWC Jakarta monitors 90~125E north of 10S, and TCWC Port Moresby monitors 141~160E north of 10S. Weatherlover819 (talk) 06:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

No, the BoM will issue special advisories on all tropical cyclones in TCWC Jakarta and TCWC Port Moresby.--Yue ^{of the North} 13:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Irmela - Consider TCWC Jakarta as NMHSS untill from 125E to about 130/135E - personally i think Jakartas and Morsebys aors should be extended out to cover darwins aor

@ Weatherlover819 yep thats wat happened during GUBA & DURGA last year. Jason Rees (talk) 15:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Well 21U formed within TCWC Darwin's AOR, I also believe that the TCWC Darwin is still helping out TCWC Jakarta but don't know if it's still happening. Just incase some may not know the AOR map can be viewed here. Bidgee (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Gabrielle

According to Gary Padgetts Tracks for March 2009 Gabrielle has been downgraded to a Tropical low due to it not meeting the critera for the SEIO & SPAC. [1].Jason Rees (talk) 00:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

People missing

It dosen't show any people missing in the area, I wan't the total, thanks. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 20:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused, can you clarify what you mean by this? Cyclonebiskit 22:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I mean death, indirect death and the ones are missing and not found. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 03:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm still confused? Sources, where, when ect would be helpful. Bidgee (talk) 03:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

There aren't any people missing according to the information I've seen. Cyclonebiskit 03:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This basin is not like Wpac? Wpac has so many people missing. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 18:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Fatalities are very rare in Australia as a result of Tropical Cyclones. The WPac gets a lot of fatalities due to the population density, the quality of homes, and the geography. Each basin is different. Cyclonebiskit 18:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

You make me think about Haiti, where storms devastate there. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 22:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The Us

With thanks to Gary Padgett & BOM i have been able to get a full list of which disturbance was which, though it is unclear as of this moment weather Jakarta or PNG issue any designations.Jason Rees (talk) 19:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Disturbance ID,	Date	TC Name	Originating TCWC	Originating Basin	Lat (S)	Long (E)
01U	17/11/2008	Bernard	Perth	Indian Ocean	8.5	77.5
02U	18/11/2008	Anika	Perth	Indian Ocean	8.5	90
03U	15/12/2008	Billy	Darwin	Timor Sea	10	129
04U	21/12/2008	N/A	Darwin	Gulf Carp	13	139
05U	23/12/2008	N/A	Brisbane	Coral Sea	9	155
06U	08/01/2009	Charlotte	Darwin	Gulf Carp	16	139
07U	11/01/2009	05F	Brisbane	Coral Sea	14.0	155.5
08U	25/01/2009	Dominic	Perth	Indian Ocean	18	120
09U	31/01/2009	Ellie	Brisbane	Coral Sea	16	148
10U	02/02/2009	Freddy	Perth	Indian Ocean	16	130
12U	10/02/2009	N/A	Perth	Timor Sea	13	128
13U	17/02/2009	Innis (Fiji)	Brisbane	Pacific Ocean	22	164
14U	19/02/2009	N/A	Darwin	Gulf Carp	12.5	139
16U	25/02/2009	Gabrielle	Perth	Indian Ocean	10	101
17U	05/03/2009	Hamish	Brisbane	Coral Sea	12	146
18U	13/03/2009	Ilsa	Darwin	Arafura Sea	8	139
19U	19/03/2009	N/A	Brisbane	Coral Sea	13	153
20U	22/03/2009	Jasper	Brisbane	Coral Sea	14	151
21U	23/03/2009	N/A	Darwin	Gulf Carp	10	140
22U	08/04/2009	15F	Brisbane	Coral Sea	7	162
23U	18/04/2009	Kirrily	Darwin	Arafura Sea	7	132

Notes

Tropical Low 22U formed on 2009-04-08 according to BOM near 7S 162E. Allowing for a couple of degrees either side (since its a weak Cyclone) its in the same postion as Nadi reported 15F to be.Jason Rees (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

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Who came first?

I'm really confused. Based on 2008-09 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season, the remnant disturbance of Bernard entered the basin on 21th of November, which is redesignated as Tropical Low 01U before dissipating on the same day.

"The remnants of Bernard entered the Australia region, where it was briefly designated as Tropical Low 01U before dissipating".

But when it comes to 2008-09 Australian region cyclone season, Tropical Low 02U (Tropical Cyclone Anika) formed on November 17, 4 days ahead of "Tropical Low 01U, or Bernard.".

"During 17 November TCWC Perth and TCWC Jakarta reported that Tropical Low 02U had developed within the monsoon trough about 925 km (575 mi) to the northeast of Cocos Islands"

Can someone clarify this? Thanks. BrownieKing talk 03:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

The problem is that the BoM [almost certainly] designated Bernard as 01U well before it entered the Aus Region for TC warnings which is their right since they issue high seas warnings out to 80E if not further eastwards. Jason Rees (talk) 06:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)