Talk:2009 swine flu pandemic tables

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See also: Talk:2009 flu pandemic timeline, Template talk:2009 swine flu outbreak table, File talk:H1N1 map.svg, Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak, Talk:2009 swine flu outbreak by country, File talk:H1N1 map by confirmed cases.svg, and File talk:H1N1 map by confirmed deaths.svg

See also: Talk:2009 flu pandemic table April 2009, Talk:2009 flu pandemic table May 2009, Talk:2009 flu pandemic table June 2009, and Talk:2009 flu pandemic table July 2009

graph

found on the Spanish wikipedia:

76.66.202.139 (talk) 06:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Note this graph is easy to edit, and does not require an image editing program, since it is done using wikicode.

Cuadro de evolución a partir de los datos oficiales publicados por la O.M.S.

76.66.202.139 (talk) 08:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The graph looks nice, but the tables have data for over 80 countries now - 80 graphs would be too much. Plus, you couldn't compare the situation on a given day between countries easily. I still hold out hope that there is a more compact way to show this data somehow, though.Anguswalker (talk) 16:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

you could just do a sum total of all cases reported to the WHO as a perdiem graph. The figures area already here for "the world". 70.29.212.226 (talk) 04:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

References

Proposal for deletion - comments

As the original author of this page, I naturally do not wish to see it deleted. I accept that it contains a lot of information, but I think it is well organised and easy to understand. It provides all the information in the WHO updates in a single digestible table, allowing users to see the development of swine flu in each country and continent, which is not possible anywhere else, as far as I know. Anguswalker (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It still fails WP:NOT#STATS. The collection of information isn't needed on Wikipedia. We have tables that display the spread of the swine flu in a much better fashion than raw stats on a table. Douglasr007 (talk) 17:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it fails WP:NOT#STATS, which states 'Long and sprawling lists of statistics may be confusing to readers and reduce the readability and neatness of our articles.' First of all this is long but I don't think it is 'sprawling', which suggests lots of disparate information stuck together without much cohesion or rationale. Secondly, note the 'may', which suggests that something can be long (and even sprawling) without confusing readers and reducing readability - I would argue that this table is an example, comparable with this page on South American World Cup matches, say. Thirdly you say that there are tables and graphs that display the spread of swine flu in better fashion, but they do not provide this detail. I maintain that even after the pandemic is over, this will be a useful historical record which may not be available elsewhere.

Finally, I am a relevant newcomer to Wikipedia but if articles were assessed on the basis of 'need', there would be a lot of other articles before this one in the queue! I am open to suggestions as to how to present this information in a clearer way, but maintain that having it in some form is worthwhile both now and in the future.Anguswalker (talk) 11:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This is excellent data. Perhaps there are other wikipedia guidelines that apply such as common sense. Thanks, Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your support!Anguswalker (talk) 11:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

this page does NOT fail wp:notstats,because it is not sprawling,nor does it confuse users,i feel that it is very important that we,at least in some form,mantain this article.24.97.164.250 (talk) 14:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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Resurrection

How did one person in the U.S. come back to life between the previous report and today? 45 dead on June 15, only 44 on June 17? Edison (talk) 18:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Sadly not a resurrection, but a change of mind as to the cause of death (as WHO puts it: *The data has been revised on the basis of further laboratory confirmation"). I suppose that could still mean resurrection but I'm sticking to my theory.Anguswalker (talk) 07:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

World health organization information unupdated

World health organization information unupdated. We should not use it. We could also use maps to show the spread. It would be easier to understand.Sampsonkwan (talk) 06:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you mean by 'unupdated'. The BBC news site has a good map with a slider, but I don't know how to do this on wikipedia.Anguswalker (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

We can make a sequence of maps showing the spread of swine flu using colours to mark the number of cases.Sampsonkwan (talk) 11:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I mean by 'unupdated' that the WHO update bulletins are updated rarely and not accurate. I understand it will be very hard not to use the WHO update bullentins.Sampsonkwan (talk) 11:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Once every two days is hardly 'rarely'. I agree, though, that their figures are generally slightly behind others, but they are probably the most reliable. Anguswalker (talk) 11:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Updates with more recent figures

Please do not update the page with figures found anywhere except the World Health Organisation updates. I know it is tempting to put higher figures in, but please resist! Anguswalker (talk) 08:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Are the numbers cumulative (e.g. do the numbers for a certain month include the numbers from the previous months) or are they for the month in the head only? This could be clarified by including it in the headings. 137.248.1.11 (talk) 11:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Maps

We can show how swine flu is spreading by showing a sequence of maps using coler codes to show the number of cases comfirmed. I don't know how you can create a map though. Can anyone tell me how to make a map?Sampsonkwan (talk) 03:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

You can download the SVG maps used in the by country article and look at the code. They're actually text files with the extension SVG. (be sure to download the SVG file, and not the PNG cache version) 76.66.203.200 (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Format changes - comments please

With the arrival of July, this page became too long, with eight tables some with over 20 columns and 100 rows.

What I have therefore done is to put each case and death table on their own 'month' page, and retain this page as a longer-term summary of the progress of the pandemic, by listing the cases and deaths from the first WHO update each month, plus the latest update.

Please let me know what you think!Anguswalker (talk) 10:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

excised table

== Top 10 Worldwide==

Rank	Countries with the most number of Confirmed Cases.	Rank	Countries with the most number of Confirmed Deaths.
1st	United States	1st	United States
2nd	Mexico	2nd	Mexico
3rd	Canada	3rd	Argentina
4th	Chile	4th	Canada
5th	United Kingdom	5th	Chile
6th	Australia	6th	Australia
7th	Argentina	7th	Thailand
8th	Thailand	8th	United Kingdom Uruguay
9th	Philippines	9th	Costa Rica New Zealand
10th	Japan	10th	Colombia Dominican Republic Guatemala Peru

This was excised by someone. 70.29.208.69 (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Bizarre numbers

I noted two entries in "swine flu deaths" which are incorrect or extremely doubtful. Edison (talk) 00:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

On 25th July Singapore records a 4th death by H1N1. [1] 116.14.134.165 (talk) 13:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Influenza prevention

This is not really about this article but it is a call for help on a related article, influenza prevention. My hope is to eventually have this article put into the "In the News" section, but it does not yet have appropriate content nor is it of high enough quality. I would like a consensus for this article and experienced editors to improve it. Any helpful edits to this article are greatly beneficial. Thank you. Sagan666 (talk) 00:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)