Talk:2010 Belgian Grand Prix
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GA Review
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Reviewer: HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk · contribs) 19:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Criteria checking
editGA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
- Is it well written?
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- No major problems remaining. Would need to be copyedited to get to FA status but is good enough GA. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 01:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
- No major problems that I can see.
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- Is it verifiable with no original research?
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- It has a references section. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 20:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
- Some of the sources used are better than others, but almost all of the material contained within is supported by the highest quality sources used. If someone has the 2010-2011 edition of Autocourse then this could be used to verify the official title of the race but that is not a significant issue. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- C. It contains no original research:
- D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
- None that I'm aware of.
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- Is it neutral?
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- Is it stable?
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- No obvious edit wars or content disputes. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:43, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- All seems to be in order.
- B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
- Large number of images, all obviously relevant and coherently captioned. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Overall:
- Pass or Fail:
- Pass or Fail:
Comments from HumanBodyPiloter5
editBeginning review. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Unfamiliar with ChicaneF1. Taking good faith that it is a reliable source. Doesn't seem to be being used for especially contentious information so far.
- I believe I have seen editors show concern in the past about the use of the official F1 website to establish what the official titles of past races were. I don't have the 2010-2011 copy of Autocourse, but if anyone does this would be a better source. Not a significant enough issue to fail the article over however.
- Rectified MWright96 (talk) 20:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Taking magazine sources I can't currently access on good faith. Ideally they should be verified at some point by someone who can, especially if this is nominated for featured article status.
- Unfamiliar with GPUpdate as a source. Doesn't appear to be an obviously unsuitable source and the information that appears in the first citation I've seen largely corresponds with the Autosport citation. If anyone can vouch for or against it's reliability then feel free.
- I asked about this and was told a case-by-case basis approach should be taken with GPUpdate MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm unsure that the given citations back up the assertion that the summer break was "unpopular with some teams".
- Removed that statement MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
More to follow.
- Webber quote is sourced appropriately.
- Vettel quote is sourced appropriately.
- Hamilton and Button stuff sourced appropriately.
- Unfamiliar with Auto Evolution. Doesn't appear to be an inappropriate source, but as always outside input is appreciated. Information attributed to source checks out.
- The sentence reading "
Ferrari introduced a new rear wing with less downforce featuring revised endplates and a small flap lacking a slot on the main profile on Felipe Massa's F10 car for qualifying and the race
" is a little bit confusing. I'm not sure this much detail is needed for a race article, the detail about the flaps and slots may be better suited for the article about the car. - "F-duct" needs to be explained or wikilinked, and calling it "McLaren's F-duct" while talking about Renault's car is a little confusing.
- Wikilinked term in question MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
That's it for the background section.
- The sentence which ends with "
and lightning came on approximately 50 minutes before abating with 20 minutes left
" is somewhat unclear and probably needs to be broken up. - Unsure how much value there is to listing the whole top ten for practice sessions as they're not competitive sessions. Have there been relevant wikiproject discussion on this?
- Don't have recollection about discussions on listing the maximum number of drivers for a practice session MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- What does "
Liuzzi drove onto a white line
" mean?- Reworded 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Autosport seems to be saying that it rained during the final fifteen minutes of FP3, not the final twenty.
- I presume that ITV meant "marshals" and not "stewards" when talking about who retrieved Vettel's car.
- Is "
him being impeded by a slower car
" referring to Senna or Yamamoto? The source says Yamamoto was impeded.- Clarified MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- What is the Oxford Mail? Just flagging sources I'm unfamiliar with in case another editor wants to raise concerns.
- The source is a newspaper covering the Oxford, England area and carries coverage of F1 MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure what "
Rosberg lost five places for changing his car's gearbox to an older specification unused for four races pre-qualifying
" means.- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly I have no idea how to cover the old "Alonso given a 15,000,000,000-place grid penalty (meaning he starts from 18th)" issue meaningfully. If anyone else can suggest a clear way of covering this then feel free.
No other notable issues with the Qualifying section.
- I'm afraid I don't understand what "
Hamilton held off Kubica on the outside in the braking zone of Les Combes turn and stopped Button passing Kubica
" means, even after reading the source.- Changed wording MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure a Motorsport.com article from ten years ago is an appropriate source. One from 2020 would most likely be, but until a few years ago that website wasn't particularly well regarded for reliable reporting.
- I think there might be some digression in the wider community when it comes to this MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hamilton quote is suitably sourced.
- Webber quote is suitably sourced.
- Kubica quote is suitably sourced.
- Vettel quote is suitably sourced.
- Button quote is suitably sourced.
- Whitmarsh quote is suitably sourced but it's not clear in the source if Whitmarsh made all of those comments in one go or if they're two separate comments he made.
- Can't comment on the Horner stuff. Unfamiliar with Auto Motor und Sport and can't read German.
- The source in question is a motoring and motorpsort magazine source MWright96 (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Barrichello quote is suitably sourced.
- Not all of the Alonso quote appears in the linked source.
- Schumacher quote is suitably sourced.
- Massa quote is suitably sourced.
Those are my comments for now.
- @HumanBodyPiloter5: Various changes have been made to the list MWright96 (talk) 21:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- @MWright96:, I need to check this against the MOS requirements and I may give the article a copyedit if I can find the time, but otherwise this is looking good! HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 01:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @MWright96:, congratulations, this article seems to meet all of the standards. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 18:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Jack Frost (talk) 02:24, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- ... that at the 2010 Belgian Grand Prix, Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton slid off the wet track into a barrier, but was able to re-join the circuit and win the race? Source: "On that lap, Hamilton was unable to slow enough in the slippery conditions and slid into the gravel trap at Rivage corner. Hamilton made light contact with the wall but had enough traction to get himself out of the gravel and return to the track in the lead." source used in article itself, other supporting citations include these ones, rewatching the race broadcast also shows this is accurate.
- Comment: Passed GA review on 13 February 2021.
Improved to Good Article status by MWright96 (talk). Nominated by HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) at 19:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC).
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