Talk:2010 NFL season

Labor issues

Should there be a note that this looks to be an uncapped year absent a new CBA with the NFLPA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.226.30 (talk • contribs)

Added. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Recent "Dirty Hits" enforcement

With all the sudden emphasis on safe football by the league, should there be a section highlighting it or is it placed under rule changes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.133.126 (talk) 06:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I have added a subsection about this under Rule Changes. Thatotherperson (talk) 03:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Transactions

Should there be a transcations page displaying trades and free aggency—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mollica93 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

No, there are over 200 free agents this year and this page would get way too cluttered. We can name a few major transactions, like if Brett Favre retired for good, but nothing less important. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanksgiving Games

In your article, you mentioned that "assuming the status quo continues", the 12:30 EST matchup on Thanksgiving would be New England vs. Detroit. Well, "assuming the status quo..." involves two facets.

1) The Detroit Lions continue to host the 12:30 ET game. However, the NFL is very likely to take that game away from Detroit. Since the 12:30 game must be hosted by a team in the Eastern Time Zone and in the US, there are two good possibilities: Philadelphia (would host either Houston or Indianapolis) or Atlanta (would host either Baltimore or Cincinnati). Of course, those matchups assume that the 12:30 game will still be an AFC-NFC game. If an AFC team hosts, New England and Pittsburgh would make excellent hosts. And instead of in Dallas, the 4:15 game could be on the West Coast (San Diego or San Francisco).

2) The normal TV rotation continues such that, in an even year, CBS gets the 12:30 game and Fox gets the 4:15 game. However, CBS had the 12:30 game in 1979 and somehow again in 1980. Likewise, NBC had the 12:30 game in 1989 and then again, somehow in 1990. Since we've moved into a new decade (2009 to 2010), it's not impossible that Fox may have a 12:30 game for the second straight year, which would force CBS to have a 4:15 game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.62.209.129 (talk) 04:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

That may be the case, given that this has happened in years ending in zeroes before. I also wouldn't be surprised because the current format doesnt allow the AFC North teams to play in a Thasnksgiving game, while switching the years around would. (I would personally love to see a Steelers-Cowboys game on Thanksgiving in a couple years). I highly doubt that they will take the Lions' game away from them. The NFL rarely messes with traditions. The somewhat-reliable source used in this article is more than 2 years old anyway. Frank Anchor^Talk 12:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Curious about a couple of things stated in the previous comments: "the current format doesn't allow the AFC North teams to play in a Thanksgiving game" and "the 12:30 game must be hosted by a team in the Eastern Time Zone." I guess I'm missing something--what's the basis for either of these statements? LarryJeff (talk) 18:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

One More Possibility

How's this for an alternative to Detroit hosting the 12:30 game. In the event that the NFL decides on an all-AFC game at 12:30 ET on Thanksgiving, Indianapolis at New England is definitely a blockbuster matchup! After all, anything is an improvement over watching Detroit get crushed every year on turkey day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.62.209.129 (talk) 04:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Section on "potential" of LA team

OK, so this section should probably be moved because obviously, with training camps around the corner and season tickets heading out to ticket holders, it's pretty much a non-issue for an LA team in 2010. This section is now irrelevant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.37.76 (talk) 19:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I have removed that section.

Thatotherperson (talk) 19:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Regular Season Standings table

In the section titled Regular Season Standings, is there a way to set up those tables so they would automatically sort themselves by winning percentage? That way we wouldn't have to keep rearranging the code all year to keep the teams in the right order.

Thatotherperson (talk) 11:51, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

No, even if you add the sorting feature to the table, the rows will always first appear in the same order as in the wikitext. See Help:Sorting#Sorting tables by default. Zzyzx11 (talk) 15:20, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

These tables do not render very well on mobile devices (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_season). They overlap and cannot be read. Instead of having two tables side-by-side, keep the table one column so that they can be rendered on phones and mobiles. 98.119.195.136 (talk) 22:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Could we please change the standings back so that AFC and NFC are next to each other not one above the other?--70.246.150.185 (talk) 01:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Why is it that you want them side-by-side? Having them side-by-side at the expense of the tables being unreadable on some devices seems to defeat the purpose of Wikipedia. 173.51.232.99 (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Why is Philadelphia above New York? New York precedes Philadelphia alphabetically and has a better conference record (the teams are tied in prior tie-breakers). Granted, this will become a moot point Sunday night (unless they tie), but I'm curious; someone must have moved Philadelphia higher, as New York was the last team with a lead before tiebreakers. Tomblikebomb (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I'll defer to NFL.com's interpretation. Tomblikebomb (talk) 18:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Can we add below where the standings are what teams are eliminated during which week? I know for sure the Bills have been eliminated —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.82.147 (talk) 01:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

What's the point of using an asterisk to mark a team that's "clinched homefield advantage throughout the playoffs" and also using numbers to show teams that have clinched a certain seed? If a team has the #1 seed then they have the homefield advantage, so just show they are the #1 seed. A side note, the phrase "homefield throughout the playoffs" has always seemed to be hyperbole to me--they only get to play two games at home. LarryJeff (talk) 04:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Game summaries

For the third or fourth year in a row, the game summaries on the NFL team season pages are of poor quality and standards for Wikipedia. In fact, for 2010, they appear to be worse than they were in 2009 and 2008. I thought it was appropriate to bring this to attention at the main season page. The summaries do not adhere well (or at all) to the WP:Manual of Style, particularly: improper capital letters, improper abbreviations, and poor grammar. But they suffer most from poor tone, a repetitive template of informal game "jargon," a mix of verb tenses, and statements that make no sense to casual readers:

• "Coming off the win/loss..."
• "[Player] got a TD"
• "[Player] nailed a FG" (hammers are not used in the NFL)
• "[Team] flew to [stadium]" (since when does an airplane land on the football field?)

The other main criticism is that they are NOT telling the story of the game. All they basically seem to be are run-on sentences listing the scoring plays. In many cases, the actual scoring play may not be the most important aspect of the respective drive. For instance, a team may be driving for a game-tying touchdown. A defensive player makes a huge play, intercepting the ball and returning it 95 yards, and be tackled at the 1 yard line. Yet the "summary" will leave that completely out and only mention the 1 yard touchdown run that "put them up for good." Complaints were made in 2009 on the talk page for Alakazam, but it appears that Minimac is inserting them for 2010. Yet they seem to be identical in style, wording, and language. I'm not making accusations, or attempting to single out anyone, but I highly encourage the participants of WP:NFL to commit to improving the team season pages. Doctorindy (talk) 18:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

If a game summary is in your opinion "poor quality" or sub-standard, re-write it. Also I don't see what's wrong with saying things like "nailed a FG". According to dictionary.com, nail can be a verb meaning "to accomplish perfectly". I think it's good to use as many different nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, etc. as possible to make the descriptions more interesting, like you said in the others, they're too already repetitive and it'd be boring to just to say "kicked" every time. Also I don't see what's wrong with using "jargon" or slang either. Most people reading the summaries are probably familiar with it, but if they're not each term already has its own article. If they don't know the definition of a slang word they can look it up in an online dictionary like I the one I mentioned earlier. TomCat4680 (talk) 23:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The use of "jargon" is discouraged and/or rejected by the WP:Manual of Style. In addition, articles are supposed to be written to cater to a broad range of readers, not just specialists familiar with the topic.Doctorindy (talk) 15:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Playoff Clinching & Playoff Elimination Scenarios

For simplicity, I suggest that ties NOT be mentioned in the scenarios listed. Ties are rare, and stating them just makes the statements more difficult to understand. I don't think the reader loses much by omitting them.Juve2000 (talk) 23:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I was going to bring this up myself, but I figured maybe it wasn't "encyclopedic" to omit ties, even though they are so rare. –Thatotherperson (talk) 14:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

My first choice is to leave them in, but I'd be ok with taking out as long as we have an explanatory note about there being "other scenarios" possible if certain games result in a tie. LarryJeff (talk) 14:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Awards → Players of the Week

Why is week 1 at the bottom of the table instead of the top? Any particular reason? ××Thatotherperson (talk) 04:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to put it in ascending order (1, 2, 3...) if no one objects. Thatotherperson (talk) 23:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Alright, guess i will. Thatotherperson (talk) 12:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Future Thanksgiving Day Games - 2011 and Beyond

Since, in 2010, an AFC team visited Detroit (therefore, an NFC team visited Dallas), the natural rotation suggests that, in 2011, Thanksgiving would feature NFC @ Detroit and then AFC @ Dallas. However, it is possible that the 2011 NFL season may be cancelled.

If the 2011 season is cancelled, how would the rotation of the Thanksgiving day games be affected?

Would it be: 1) In 2012, NFC @ Detroit then AFC @ Dallas - just to keep the alternating pattern intact. or 2) In 2012, AFC @ Detroit then NFC @ Dallas - because it is an even year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.62.209.129 (talk) 02:44, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, your question cannot be answered at this time. Unfortunately, the league has not yet announced any contingency plans, including the issue you raised, if the 2011 season is in fact canceled. They may announce some contingency plans if a potential work stoppage definitely lasts through September 2011, and does definitely shorten or cancel the season. But they're probably still optimistic that a deal will get done before that time (which is why they probably are not thinking about any contingency plans at this time until they're forced to...) Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Back and forth about the playoff berth/seed clinching markers

I copied this comment from my own talk page. The user had removed the "(1)" next to the Patriots line in the AFC East table (denoting they clinched the number 1 seed. I re-added it; they removed it again and added this note on my talk page (also my response below)

• If it's pointless to put the X, then why put the 1 when they are listed on the top of the bracket anyways. I'll not put an X but I am getting rid of that 1 because it makes people think there is a supplement at the bottom of the bracket. 71.233.89.24 (talk) 05:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I assume by "top of the bracket" you mean first in their division. This does equate to being the #1 seed in the conference, which is what the "(1)" denotes. This is explained by the legend above the standings on the NFL season page. -- As I type that, I suddenly realize the source of confusion now. The notes are in the article "2010 NFL Season" but if you're looking at the same template in a different article then you don't get to see that explanation. Of course, you also don't see the explanation of what the x, y, or z notes mean either, so by that logic all of these symbols should be removed, not just the seed numbers.LarryJeff (talk) 19:11, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I guess, even though the key won't be displayed on the individual team articles that include the standings templates, we're still better off to go ahead and include the symbols in the templates, with the key on the 2010 NFL season article. Thoughts? LarryJeff (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Every Season since Play-off season was introduced (1970) has the seeding in the tables. Of course i'm not entirely sure if they are templates or not (and it doesn't look like they are), but I think having the seeds is useful. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 19:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Article Name Change.

Shouldn't this article be titled 2010-11 NFL Season? After all the last week of the regular season is in fact being played in the year 2011. I mean sure the playoffs are always played during the next calender year. However this is the first time, I can remember an entire week of regular season games being played in the next calender year.--Subman758 (talk) 03:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

If this is "the first time, [you] can remember an entire week of regular season games being played in the next calender year", then this is an anomaly as to the way the Sundays fell this year, and thus the NFL regular season articles should not be merely changed because it happened only once. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest checking the NFL Record and Fact Books rather than using one's "own memory" to determine if something is a fact or not. Many NFL seasons have seen week 17 fall in January: 2009, 2005, 2004, 2001, 1999, 1994, etc. Doctorindy (talk) 01:25, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hey you guys better watch the vandalism here. Someone butchered the league standings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.236.213.192 (talk) 04:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

—moved to bottom of page by Thatotherperson (talk)

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