Talk:2010 Nigerien coup d'état

Article name

I've moved the article back to 2010 Niger coup d'état, using the Year, Country, event guideline. The talk page was already here. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 22:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Your move is wrong. Conventional practice suggests that we should use "Nigerien" and not "Niger". Everyking (talk) 22:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Whatever it ends up being, the talk page and article were at different names. It won't kill anyone if the article name isn't perfect for 30 minutes. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 22:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Look at the articles listed at Template:Coup d'état. Also, for an even more direct example, see the article on the 1974 Nigerien coup d'état. Everyking (talk) 22:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Purely for elimination of confusion (with Nigeria) I think it should stay at this name. Wizzy…☎ 07:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

"Nigerien" may be technically correct but is confusing. Still, as noted above, there's precedence for it. Evercat (talk) 22:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

(ec) I initially confused Nigerien with Nigerian (which is very easy to do), hence the reason I moved the article earlier. I suspect that if you have the article called Nigerien coup d'etat a lot of users are likely to make the same mistake I did --Daviessimo (talk) 23:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

(EC) Perusing List of coups d'état and coup attempts shows recent coups named primarily using the adjective: 2008 Guinean coup d'état, 2008 Mauritanian coup d'état, 2008 East Timorese assassination attempts, and 2007 Laotian coup d'état conspiracy allegation, which support User:Everyking's name, 2010 Nigerien coup d'état. If others concur, I'd support it moving back. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 23:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Well as this item is likely to be featured on the main page sometime soon (through ITN), I would personally suggest leaving the article title for now. I have no opposition to the name being changed once the article is more settled, but given that main page articles can expect thousands of hits a day we could end up with a lot of confusion if we change it now --Daviessimo (talk) 23:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Name Precedent

the 1974 coup's article is named 1974 Nigerien coup d'état, i suggest we take that into account and use 2010 Nigerien coup d'etat to conform to past precendent in addition to the other examples presented above. In order to eliminate confusion you simply redirect this page to the 2010 Nigerien coup d'etat page. Thats the entire reason redirects exist in the first placeXavierGreen (talk) 02:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I think there's consensus to move the page to "Nigerien", but in light of Daviessimo's concern I'll wait 24 hours or so, unless of course someone else moves it first. Everyking (talk) 03:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

There is obviously a disagreement. It should not be renamed without a formal WP:RM. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 06:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Nigerien is probably correct, but to avoid confusion keep it at Niger for now. Wizzy…☎ 10:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

"military conflict"

I object to having a "military conflict" infobox in the article. Perhaps some infobox, but this presentation of the event as if it were a war seems a bit silly. Everyking (talk) 04:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

President was ruling by decree

According to the wikipedia article on the President of Niger he was ruling by decree: "On 27 June, President Tandja announced he was suspending the government and would rule by decree.[47] On 27 June, the leader of the main opposition part, Mahamadou Issoufou, denounced what he called a coup, and called on Nigeriens to resist by all legal means, citing Article 13 of the 1999 Constitution which mandates officials to ignore "manifestly illegal orders"." Additionally, the opposition party called for rejection of his rule (naturally). This seems to me to be relevant background information.--Senor Freebie (talk) 08:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

All that was part of the 2009 constitutional crisis, which is discussed in the article. Tandja wasn't ruling by decree at the time of this coup. Everyking (talk) 15:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Niger needs a better demonym!

The only difference between Nigerian and Nigerien is one vowel. In fact, spellcheck on most applications doesn't even recognize "Nigerien" as a word - It is interpreted as an incorrect spelling of "Nigerian". In order to avoid this confusion I hereby propose that the demonym of Niger be officially changed to something else, perhaps "Nigerese" or taking into account that Niger is a francophone country "Nigerois" might be more fitting. Clearing up this confusion would do much to serve the national interests of both Niger and Nigeria. I welcome thoughts on this matter.

64.222.113.147 (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but Wikipedia isn't the forum for determining the demonym. The correct demonym in French is nigerien, which in English is capitalized as Nigerien. And spellcheckers aren't arbiters of correct spelling; they are merely tools. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 17:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Nigerois is in some dictionaries e.g. but is in far less common use. While this designation is confusing, it's no more confusing than say "Georgian". I myself was surprised to see it, but given precedent we should allay confusion in other ways such as a clear first line. --Dhartung | Talk 19:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: do not move. — ξ^xplicit 03:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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2010 Nigerien coup d'état → ?to be determined? —

Since there is debate on what this article should be named, it should NEVER have been renamed without a formal WP:RM discussion.

70.29.210.242 (talk) 20:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

• oppose. Precedent, including 1974 Nigerien coup d'état, demonstrates that this is the correct article name. Besides, there are links from Niger, and Niger is clearly stated in the first line. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 20:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• oppose. The example of 1974 Nigerien coup d'état already exists to name this article anything else would be foolish.XavierGreen (talk) 21:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• oppose. Like it or not, Nigerien is the correct word per precedent and common usage.--TM 21:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment The issue doesn't move me one way or another, but I do think that moving it without a WP:RM is procedurally faulty, since no effort was made to determine consensus, and the page has been renamed a few times already, showing that there is a disagreement in naming, and thus needing a WP:RM to establish consensus formally. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 23:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• support. The article should be named unambiguously, even for those unfamiliar with the minute spelling difference. The title "2010 coup d'etat in Niger" would be far better. This has nothing to do with 'foolishness' as suggested earlier. It's foolish to insist on (perceived) rules when there is a chance of confusion. Kbrose (talk) 22:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Nigerien" is correct, and a consensus was already established to that effect. Everyking (talk) 00:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. Actually, as Niger is a former French colony, perhaps the phrase Nigerois (as is used in reference to French speaking Quebec as Quebecois) would be the correct phrase to use. Either way, "Niger" is clearly stated in the opening and is differentiated from Nigeria, which is a former British colony. As long as that differentiation is clear, there is no need to rename or move the article. DaysOfFuturePassed (talk) 01:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Nigerien is the correct French name; we don't need to guess and make up a new word. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 02:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
    • It isn't a new or made-up term, but it is not the one in common use. --Dhartung | Talk 02:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose, Nigerien is correct. Mushroom (Talk) 16:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose, Nigerien is correct. Just because some people don't know that, Wikipedia should not in the business of changing either reality or the English language to avoid their personal confusion. T L Miles (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per the above. The standard is "YEAR DEMONYM coup d'état (attempt)", and the demonym of Niger is Nigerien. —Nightstallion 23:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
• Snow Oppose per all above. Simple English should have a easier name, maybe, but this is correct. Grsz¹¹ 13:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

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Added part Referendum and elections in 2010--2011

It seems to me that we should consider the referendum of 2010 and the elections of 2011 to be an important later development of this coup. I have added a short section of them to the end of the article. I added relevant wikilinks. I will go on and mention these developments also in the article of the Supreme Council. Also, please note that I don't know how to produce a number separating 'dash.' In LaTeX it would be two hyphens, that is --. Matti Nuortio, Oulu, Finland (talk) 10:41, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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