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Administration and Supervision of Presidential Elections

The committee proposed that presidential elections be administrated by a Presidential Elections Commission headed by the president of the Supreme Constitutional Court, and including as members the president of the Cairo Court of Appeals, and the most senior vice-president of the Supreme Constitutional Court, of the Court of Cassation, and of the State Council.

The committee proposed that the decisions of the Commission be final and not subject to appeal, and that the Commission be competent to rule on its mandate, which shall be defined by law.

Subsidiary committees of the Commission, which shall administer and supervise ballot casting and counting will be established according to the rules outlined in Article 88 of the constitution.

The Committee also proposed that the Law on Presidential elections must be declared constitutional by the Supreme Constitutional Court before being adopted by Parliament.

Declaration of the State of Emergency

opposition to 26 Feb proposed changes

Some protestors and at least one WP:NOTABLE person apparently may advise a No vote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/27/egypt-generals-unveil-reform-package "What is needed now is to scrap the existing constitution, not to amend it," said Bahieddin Hassan, director of the Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies, who has warned that Egypt is in danger of falling prey to "neo-Mubarakism". "No amendments, however extensive, would be enough to salvage it because the philosophy and spirit of the constitution are diametrically opposed to democratic values and human rights. The present constitution can only encourage despotism." i'm just adding it here for "safekeeping" until either i or someone else add the info in an appropriate format to the article. Boud (talk) 21:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Another link: http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90854/7322676.html Haven't got time right now either, sorry. But please include it, info sounds important. —Nightstallion 15:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Another good source, especially about what happens if the result is a "no": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12763313 —Nightstallion 15:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

EL

I have added a lot of sources to the external links which can added later to the article either by myself or someone else. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 06:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't question your good intentions, but there are a couple of problems with it. One, you didn't include dates for the individual articles. Most news articles are pretty worthless without dates. Two, the goal was to provide the best, most general or comprehensive, article from each news media, not flood the section with one source. Your point about using them as citations eventually is perfectly valid, so I just commented them out for now, and updated a few sources which now have more current articles. Sometimes these topics attract a 'collected coverage' link from various news sources, and that makes it easier. This is not one of those topics, unfortunately. Flatterworld (talk) 17:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:EL to avoid a link farm news articles are not EL material. One can add them here (ive alread merged some into the article), and it can be crossed off as its done. (like we did on the protests page)

for referenceLihaas (talk) 12:09, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Can a woman be president?

I'm under the impression that a woman cannot be president in Egypt given what's here. Is this accurate? If yes, should it go in the article? -- Erroneuz1 (talk) 15:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Under the constitution, women can run for any political office. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 04:11, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, it seems [1] that the new constitution forbids presidential candidates to be "married to a non-Egyptian woman", implicitly assuming the candidates to be male. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Amazing moment

Today while standing inline to vote, an old lady came and asked me "How will the January 25th Youth will vote so she can vote like them because she feels that she owe us her voice because many of us have died fighting for her right to talk." I could not help but cry like a little kid. The women was over 70. It was her first time to vote. I know this is not an encyclopedia material but I cant help but share that moment with everyone I talked to today. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 00:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

That is amazing. (I fixed one word which was making it a little hard to understand). Congrats on the referendum, which even if it didn't turn out the way you thought best, is still a great accomplishment for the changes to the const, the huge turnout, and the 6-month election on the horizon. You will be busy, I take it. Ocaasi (talk) 13:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing. Keep up the good work, both online and offline, in post-Mubarak Egypt. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 00:48, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Youtube videos

External videos
ElBaradei Attackers on YouTube
ElBaradei Attacked by Islamists on YouTube
An AD asking people to vote NO by many celebrities, public and political figures on YouTube
Another AD asking people to vote NO by many celebrities, public and political figures on YouTube

The youtube videos that I have added are from reliable sources. The one showing ElBaradei's attacked are taped by a friend of mine how was there when it happened. As for the Ads, "The Yes Team" did not release any. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

cool on the latter, but can you cite/mention who made them.

for the former, not questioning you, but general precedence we cant list youtube videos made by anyone. The re are also 2 of the same so it does covert hat aspect? Lihaas (talk) 12:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

ElBaradei's ones:One showing him being attacked while the other is showing his attackers. As for the Ads, they are made by a Non-profit organization Ehna Arabic: احنا. In the video, you will be able to see some of the youth from the revolution, many celebrities, public and political figures. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

can you add that to the page to give the RS caveat. (also an english translation of the word would be nice too ;))

im a bit split on it, you can see already some attackers in both videos. but let someone break the tie.Lihaas (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Definitely lose the first ElBaradei's attacked video. The BBC arabic one is ok, but the non-RS one is too uncertain, even if it's from a close friend, and we really don't need both anyway. I'm also concerned about the title of the BBC link. Do 'they' say it was Islamists, or is that just assumed. If they say it, no problem, but if they don't say it explicitly, or if we don't have at least some other RS articles to back that up, we could only title the link ElBaradei attacked on way to vote or something like that. Ocaasi (talk) 13:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The BBC video's name in arabic is "مصر: إسلاميون يعتدون على البرادعي بالحجارة" which means "Egypt: Islamists attack ElBaradei with stones". But are you ok with ads? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 04:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Percentage required

Should it say somewhere in the intro what percentage of the votes was required for the plans to pass? I assume it's 50% but since it's related to constitution, it could be more (at least that's what someone who's not a legal expert like me might think). Mverleg (talk) 18:47, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

It was 50% only. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 04:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

sice its 50 then i dont think we need to comment on that as its obvious, though if it was any other number then it would hae to be stated.

also were there any turnout requirements?Lihaas (talk) 13:59, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge articel sections

I think it would be more readable if the two sections on the constitutional changes were merged, ideally in a way to show original and proposed changes next to each other. Currently you have to scroll between the two to see what is going on. Something like this: http://www.abgs.gov.tr/files/Bas%C4%B1nMusavirlik/haberler/constituional_amendments.pdf 76.117.247.55 (talk) 19:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

irregularities

most of them are not irregularities even if controversial doesnt make it illegal/wrong necessarily (iot could, but thats pushing a pov without a cite). Also the women wearing a niqab distrubiuting leaflets is highly pov in any case.Lihaas (talk) 14:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, they are illegal. The army have said the any form of ads starting the friday before the vote was illegal. I was asked my a police officer to cover my t-shirt because it had "NO" on it and if I refused, I would have been arrested and charged. As for the what the women were wearing and doing, I got that from the article almost word for word. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Links

Aftermath: >> Teenager killed as Egypt marks anniversaryLihaas (talk) 17:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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