Talk:2012 Bahrain Grand Prix

political opposition

Since there's already been political opposition and news on this, this should already be an article. This redirects to the season article, but the 2011 race article contains more information on the 2012 event than the 2012 season article. So the redirect isn't all that good. 70.24.251.224 (talk) 06:27, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Here are two references about the political opposition: [1] and [2]. Mohamed CJ ^(talk) 09:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

BBC: Bahrain chief unable to guarantee safety for grand prix in April. I'll add those later when I get time if no one does. Mohamed CJ ^(talk) 17:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Mr. pointy

Just a couple of points. One, "civilian protest" rubs me the wrong way, somehow. I know, it's "not military" or "not government", but... Also, the "Corporate hospitality agencies" bit seems out of place. Otherwise, it's looking pretty good. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 17:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

"Corporate hospitality agencies" is the term used in the reference.

What am I supposed to use other than "civilian protests"? I feel that any other term might risk putting undue weight on one side of the debate. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:53, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Politics

Please remember to update the various 2011-2012 Bahrain uprising articles if some significant politically charged event occurs. (like a cancellation, or more firebombings) 70.49.124.147 (talk) 05:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Why not be bold and contribute to those pages yourself? That's the beauty of Wikipedia - anyone can edit it. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:44, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Because I'm not online 24hours a day? If anyone can edit Wikipedia, then I'm not the only one who can do it. 70.49.124.147 (talk) 07:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Few suggestions

I'm not being bold due to not having enough time.

• The lead should be expanded to include other parts of the article (probably best done when the event is over, but can be done now anyway).
• It should be mentioned that the race is "one of the most controversial in the history of the sport". [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Done. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I think a few pictures need to be added to the article to prevent it from looking like a wall of text. Editadam 15:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Photos for anti-F1 protests can be found here, here and here. However, I'm not sure if all of them are free to be used on Wikipedia. Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I think we should wait until the article is fully written before we start adding photos to the fitst half of the article. Because of the regular use of quote boxes, we will have to carefully place the photos that we do add so we don't clutter up the screen. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've uploaded this image of a recent protest (20 April). It's suitable for the main article as well. Mohamed CJ (talk) 14:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Tables in the quali report

I have included tables in the qualifying report, listing the drivers who were eliminated in each session. I know that if you scroll down a little bit, the classification table is directly below. However, I expect that the race report will be quite detailed, further separating the quali report from the classification. Therefore, I'd like you to leave the tables in the qualifying report. Once the race takes place and the race report is fleshed out, the distance between the tables in the report and the tables under classification will quickly become apparent. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 12:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm address my concerns whether your qualifying report which wrote like a news report that against WP:NOT#NEWS and also the repeated classification which likely to reduce the readability of this article. Is not the distance issue, you have to consider is that significant that double classification table helping this article? Briging out the same things twice doesn't impressed at all. --Aleenf1 12:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure I really like the idea of the extra tables for each qualifying session either. I do think you have done a great job with the qualifying report sections though. Editadam 14:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I have to say I'm not keen on the extra quali tables either. All the necessary information can be gleaned from the usual single quali table. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I've been writing the article almost non-stop for the past three days, so I'm starting to get a little worn out here. By all means, rewrite anything that I put down if you don't think it has been covered enough (or properly). Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I suggest that the large qualifying classification table be moved in-between the race report and the quali report, instead of after the race report. Therefore the reader would see everything in order, not have to go from quali to race back to quali back to race. Thoughts? Editadam 15:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with all tables in the report section. The extra ones proposed by Prisonermonkeys will clutter the article and repeat information. I also think it's logical to have a classification section with all the classification? If a reader is looking at the race results table, they don't want to jump halfway up the article to find out where the driver qualified. Bigdon(talk) 21:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Grid position is shown in the race result table. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I meant to say it's more convenient to see where they qualified in comparison to other drivers, and also to see which other drivers qualified near them etc. Also, it looks a lot neater (in my opinion) if the tables are next to each other. And, for consistency, it would take a huge amount of time to change it for all the other Grand Prix articles which are not currently in this arrangement.Bigdon(talk) 21:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

You wouldn't have to change all articles, because IMO this article is unique, in the fact that it has much more text than most other race articles. Based on this I think it makes more sense to have everything in chronological order. As a reader is reading the article, they read the qualifying report, then the qualifying classification. What sense does it make to jump from the race report to the qualifying classification? And no, you would not have to scroll up half of the page, because the grid position is included in the race classification table, and in addition, they shouldn't be that far away from one another on the page anyway. Editadam 23:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, fine. If it's just for this article and other unique ones (I assume you meann like this and 2005 United States Grand Prix etc.) then I can accept it. TBH I still don't really like it though but I can understand exactly where you're coming from.Bigdon(talk) 00:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

It's only intended for this article. At this rate, this page may actually have more content than the season page; the current version of the page is 90,451 bytes long, while the season page is 116,119 bytes. For Spain, we'll revert back to the usual practice of grouping the tables together after the report. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 04:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Split article

By my rough estimation, by the time this article is fully written, it will have over 100,000kb of data in it. According to WP:SPLIT, if an article has over 100,000kb to it, then it "almost certainly should be divided". So I suggest that we split this article neatly in two: one article for the race itself, and one article for the protests (at a page tenatively titled 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix protests). The race article can be rewritten to be more in line with the conventional race articles, whilst the dedicated protest page can be the detailed section. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:17, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd agree with this proposal. Right now the protests appear to be getting more worldwide news coverage than the race itself (for example, the protests have been on the BBC front page for about three days). A subsection of the main article should still summarize these protests, of course. Khazar2 (talk) 02:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

While the protests around the race could be split off, the politics and reactions leading up to the race should remain in this article, since they deal with the race. The flare up of protests in the week of the race, and immediately after the race would be the subject of a subarticle, not the stuff from the announcement of a sample 2012 F1 calendar until the 2012 Chinese Grand Prix. All that should remain here. But protests from Tuesday after the race onwards should probably be in the regular 2011-2012 Bahrain protest articles (of which there are several). If we split off all the politics concerning the race, then we are making a POV judgment of the race, as the importance of the race is the politics surrounding it, to the world outside of Formula 1 fans, and as this is a general encyclopedia, it should continue to have that in this article. 70.49.124.225 (talk) 04:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed on splitting pages as there is way too much on the one article. Perhaps a summary will suffice on the 'race' page with a 'link-me-up-baby' for the protest page. But still stating the importance of the protest in the race page. Offfspring227 (talk) 06:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I imagine the article leads, at the very least, will be fully integrated into one another. You can't have an article about one without an article about the other. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. There is enough consensus for the split, we just need someone bold enough to make it happen. Mohamed CJ (talk) 09:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Race Controversy

Britmax reverted my edit because "Newspaers described as the source of the opinion rather than reporting the actual source of the opinion". However, this is not the case as shown below.

Bahraini security forces have clashed with protesters against Bahrain's controversial Grand Prix in mainly Shia villages, despite increasing security for the start of practice sessions. Al Jazeera

Clashes between security forces and protesters left several people wounded across Bahrain's Shiite villages ahead of its controversial Grand Prix as authorities beefed up security for the first practice sessions Friday. AFP

Meanwhile, driver British Jenson Button refused to become embroiled in the controversy. Asked about the situation during an interview, the McLaren driver said: "I'm not going to get into the details of it. Sky News.

"Bahrain Grand Prix bosses have made a "calculated decision" to go ahead with the controversial race on Sunday, claiming civil rights protests have nothing to do with the event." CNN.

I'm reverting the change now. Mohamed CJ (talk) 07:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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