Talk:2013 24 Hours of Le Mans

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Porsche LMP1 car

According to this source, it states that a Porsche works car is planned for rollout in "mid-2013", and that they plan on running it at the 24 Hours of Le Mans and World Endurance Championship.

I read the source 20 times to make sure I read it right, but apparently I'm wrong. Could I have some clarification?

Thank you Gojet-64 (talk) 05:44, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Porsche is entering in 2014. The car will be debuting for testing mid-2013, as has been known since June 2011. The³5₉ (Talk) 07:16, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Designation of the factory Porsches in GTE-Pro

The press releases about the 2013 racing program with Porsche and Manthey all referred to the car as the "991 RSR", not the "991 GT3-RSR". The 991 GT3 doesn't exist on the roads yet, so the GTE car cannot be homologated based on it, therefore it had to be homologated off a standard 991, therefore the 991 RSR. Just look at any article about the program which picks up a Porsche press release, they ALL refer to the car simply as the "991 RSR". Vikirad (talk) 09:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Porsche Press Release referring to the "Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (Type 991)". Further, the 991 GT3 Cup already exists despite there being no 991 GT3 road car. Not that this stopped the Viper GTS-R from competing last year despite sales only starting after their debut. The³5₉ (Talk) 10:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Press release dated to October last year. I haven't seen any press releases since then referring to the car as a 991 GT3-RSR. Another article taking a Porsche press release, far more recent (dated Feb 1 2013), and the quote from the head of Porsche Motorsport (Hartmut Kristen) refers to the car specifically as a "991 RSR". Vikirad (talk) 11:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

There's a single Porsche press release. Of course every news site is going to have the exact same press release. That's the point of a press release, they make a statement and every news site copies it. There is nothing definitive on the name until the car is launched. The "there is no 991 GT3 road car yet" is a poor guess. The³5₉ (Talk) 11:13, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant 991 GT3 RS road car, the RS was the homologation model for the 997. That one definitely doesn't exist yet. Vikirad (talk) 11:16, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Again, doesn't have to exist yet, not that they would need the GT3 RS to be the required homologation model. The³5₉ (Talk) 19:39, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Homologation rules specify that for a manufacturer like Porsche, at least 200 examples of the homologation model have to be produced over a year before the car gets the all-clear, otherwise the homologation is either withdrawn (at the end of the car's lifetime) or not accepted (at the start of the car's lifetime). And since no such number of 991 GT3 or 991 GT3 RS models have been produced so far, it can only result that the homologation is based on the regular 991. Vikirad (talk) 20:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

GTE rules also state an engine limit of 5.5 liters. Viper has 8.0. How is it homologated? Waivers. Not the first time Porsche or any other manufacturer has built a race car based on a yet to be released production car. Unless you can show that the car is homologated on the base 991, you're guessing. The³5₉ (Talk) 20:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Well now we have an official resolution to this, the car has been launched officially at the Paul Ricard WEC test and the press release refers to it simply as a RSR, not a GT3 RSR. Vikirad (talk) 17:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

New race cars introduced in 2013

Would it be ok if I add a little chapter about new race cars that appeared at Le Mans for the first time? Many readers are keen on finding this info quickly. Example: Porsche 991 GT3 RSR was introduced in 2013... many others too. Thanks for your reply and support. --Indianapolis74 (talk) 18:02, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

No. Almost all cars at Le Mans are "new". Rarely do you see the same car in consecutive races. -- Scjessey (talk) 00:30, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

What I meant is the model (type) of a car, e.g. Porsche 996 GT3 RSR (started 2004 for the first time at Le Mans), then Porsche 997 GT3 RSR (first Le Mans race in 2007) and Porsche 991 GT3 RSR (first time 2013). This is the official model evolution by Porsche, even Porsche would not say that the years inbetween they would have brought A NEW CAR to Le Mans, it was just a bit of improvement within the same type... Why should not this be valueable for the article? I have three encyclopedias about LE MANS and all feature a list of "cars that raced at Le Mans", and there they have these cars mentioned too, so why don't you recognize it as a real value? --Indianapolis74 (talk) 23:45, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Might be worth a brief mention in the entry list chapter any major teams debuting new cars at this event (as opposed to previous events of the 2013 Endurance Championship). Bearing in mind that while Le Mans is the biggest sports car race of the year, it is also interconnected with a myriad of other racing events.

Detailing of the technical specifications of the cars does however belong in the articles about the cars themselves. --Falcadore (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

+1, no extra chapter needed, it's ok to have this important info in the entry list chapter! --Indianapolis74 (talk) 06:43, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

If the information can be worked into prose as relevent to the overall subject, then there is no problem. This is grossly different from simply listing every car you think is "important info". Further, as Falcadore stated, it should really only be for cars debuting at Le Mans. The 991 RSR did not debut at Le Mans. The³5₉ (Talk) 07:32, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Agree with The359. The 991s debut should be highlighted when it occurred, rather than at its first Le Mans. By the time it has reached Le Mans it is already a battle-tested piece of hardware rather than something new and its Le Mans debut is no longer that significant. It should be borne in mind Wikipedia is not a Le Mans encyclopedia but a general purpose encyclopedia.

Previous Le Mans might have highlighted the debut of the DeltaWing at Le Mans, but there was the debut of a whole new class - the 55th entry for cars which push technological boundaries. The car was not new, but its class was. --Falcadore (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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Matteo Malucelli

Please check the "famous driver" wikilink: it links to an italian cyclist! MC12GT1 (talk) 23:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done Link removed. Next time, you can remove the link yourself if you feel it is a mistake. The³5₉ (Talk) 00:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Matt294069 (talk · contribs) 08:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

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So I will be happy to review this article as on first inspections it's look like it will be suitable for the good article. Of course you don't quite know if that is the case.

Lead

• ...by the No. 42 Greaves Motorsport Zytek Z11SN driven by... - Is their meant to be a comma between the two wiki-linked pages here.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 06:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
• ...championship leaders going into the race Lotterer, Fässler and Tréluyer... - I think their is meant to be a comma between race and Lotterer.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 06:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Background

• This is fine, no problems with this

Balance of Performance changes

• What is with all of these l, imp gal and US gal mean.
  • See Template:Convert MWright96 (talk)

Entries

• ...between the LMP1, and LMP2... - Remove the "and" before LMP2.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 06:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
• I know this isn't really a part of it, but JMW Motorsport is red-linked so you could either create a article or remove the wiki links for it. This is the same with most of the other red-link pages that is in this article.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 06:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Testing and practice

• The LMGTE Pro class lead constantly changed with... - Was it between those two cars that followed through in this sentence or was their more cars involved in the changing of the lead.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Just a thought, is their any other related sources that suited for this practice session instead of using the same reference five times. Of course you don't have to follow it up as their is no issues with this.

Qualifying

• ...final seconds of third qualifying... - We already know that this is the third session because of it being earlier in the paragraph.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• ...making the top three in LMP2 to be represented by three manufacturers... - I know what I am thinking but this could be better worded in a way so that it slightly flow better.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Race

Warm-up

• The first half of this paragraph you haven't really been adding the references for the different classes.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Several drivers went off the track during the session which had three crashes. - Says several drivers but looking on their seems to be only three drivers that was mention in this.
  • Reworded the sentence. MWright96 (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Start

• ...for second at the second Mulsanne chicane... - Missing the word place after second.
• ...Audi duo of McNish of di Grassi within half... - Change of to and here.
• ...in the first three overall... - Change first to top.

Night

Seems fine here

Morning to early afternoon

• ...lowered it by six seconds by... - Change by to to.

Finish

Seems fine here

Post-race

No issues here.

Standings after the race

• No issues

Footnotes

• No issues

References

• No issues on the references side as a check in the links. If I had to nitpick here, reference 16 and 18 has some un-categorised redirects
  • Fixed. MWright96 (talk) 06:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Final comments

So just final touch ups and I think this is good enough to go for a good article. HawkAussie (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

• • @HawkAussie: Many thanks for reviewing the article. All of the points raised above have been addressed. MWright96 (talk) 06:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@MWright96: Good job as that is another one to add to the Good Article bank. HawkAussie (talk) 08:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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