Talk:2013 Reyhanlı car bombings

Hüseyin Çelik's statement about RedHack

Çelik did not deny the leak, but stated that its content is unrelated.

Source: http://www.aksam.com.tr/siyaset/celikten-redhack-ve-reyhanli-belgesi-aciklamasi-1-er-gozaltinda/haber-208880 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.219.169.91 (talk) 18:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Merging

May 2013 Reyhanli bombing has just been merged by myself. There was an edit-conflict during the procedure but there seem to be no significant issue, feel free to fix otherwise.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I added the requisite template above; thanks for the notice. (It is probably not needed, strictly speaking, since you were the only author on the other page and the merger, but it never hurts to have it.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Perpetrators

As of May 11th, 2013, 21:05 UTC, there is no mention at all on any of the news sources that the perpetrator is the Kurdistan Workers' Party, yet the infobox listed them as the perpetrator. Unless there is a definite source of this, I'm removing the info from the box. EDIT: Whoops, apparently someone already removed it before I managed to do the edit. 77.172.68.203 (talk) 21:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

There has been speculations that the victims were actually Alawites like Bashar al Assad, as Hatay has a large population. If ture, it wouldn't make sense for the Syrian government to have done it. So be cautious with wild, unfounded claims by Turkish politicians. FunkMonk (talk) 23:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

English characters in English wikipedia

We always use the local naming of city names. "Reyhanlı" is the correct name for the title. Similar to articles of other cities such as Reyhanlı itself. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 22:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, exactly, which is why I reverted the earlier renaming of this article. Prioryman (talk) 22:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to raise the point here so that it doesn't appear like it is the opinion of one editor. :) -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 22:43, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

About the death number

There are 3 figures on number:

1. On May, 11, 2013, the attorney general of Reyhanli district claimed to ban any visual, vocal or written material about the bombings through any mainstream media including internet.

And Reyhanli magistrates’ court approved this claim and released an official document to the public warning as article 153 of the law of criminal procedure (or Turkish Penal Code). Briefly, this law indicates prison and money punishments.

Source in Turkish: http://haber.gazetevatan.com/yayin-yasagi-geldi/537505/1/gundem

After receiving the document; almost all TV channels, newspapers (printed, web-based, etc.) unhesitatingly shifted from their ‘massively!’ live broadcastings on bombings to their daily routines.

I said ‘unhesitatingly’ because -- as most of you are also well aware -- the mainstream media all over the world has always been in deep, complex and mysterious ‘commercial!’ connections with the governments. So in the country like Turkey, these connections are even deeper and more complex than many European, middle-east or far-eastern countries. Any little ‘annoying!’ news on the ruling party can cause dozens of journalists to lay off from their companies and of course TV anchors, correspondents or photojournalists, too.

2. ‘46’ is officially declared by the government officials. And no one believes that this is accurate. Of course, no one is excited to hear more and more number but they (‘they’ are ordinary citizens!) just want to learn the facts; not any manipulated thing.

For the number that officially announced in the 17 August 1999 earthquake, no one believed!

Some local news sites, freelance journalists, police officers, hospital personnel, computer-hacking groups, etc. in the guise of fake identities -- to protect themselves from the aforementioned law enforcement -- are posting in their facebook, twitter, etc. accounts, texting messages to their relatives or friends mostly living in the west regions of Turkey and sending messages to the media organizations about the real number. For now they say, the real death number is 177 and increasing.

3. There can be many provocateurs in the scene. So they can also exaggerate the number to trigger any type of riot.

In this Wikipedia page, whoever writes down a new line, particularly on the number, I highly recommend them to crosscheck with several foreign news web sites, not only with the Turkish ones.

Regards, Toksoz (talk) 22:26, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

The ban was lifted today I believe. The media ban should have a section in the article I think. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 00:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Controversy over the death toll

As everybody can see from previous heading, there was a controversy over the death toll in Turkish media since the very first day after the blasts. That was one of the reasons for the media ban imposition. Cumhuriyet is perhaps the oldest newspaper in Turkey. The text I added into the "bombings" section is reliably sourced by referencing to the article/report by Mustafa Kemal Erdemol, who is a reporter from Cumhuriyet newspaper. I believe user user:Sayerslle does not have good command of wikipedia policies and guidelines. There is no obligation to refer to an english source while expanding an article about a subject which was a "non-english event". The source I referred to (Gerçek Gündem) is an internet news portal, quoting the whole report from Cumhuriyet by referring with the editor's and newspaper's name; so it's a kind of reliable secondary source (or third party). Now I am reverting back user:Sayerslle's removal/deletion by changing the source to Cumhuriyet (http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/?hn=416566&kn=7&ka=4&kb=7). It's kind of tiresome to argue about the points, that are already clear. Logos5557 (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

This is the link to the discussion about "some" issues with user:Sayerslle [1] Logos5557 (talk) 07:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

if that source claims the death toll is possibly 177, that is surprising to me and no figure as high as that has been given , even as a possibility, as far as I know in English language RS. that is 177 deaths reported as possible, and not wounded/fatalities together? Nor have English language RS reported anger being about a concern that the numbers of killed are wrong. but its obviously vital in your eyes - how useful it is to readers of English is moot. you saying I wanted to put'funny stories' in the article is insulting and idiotic and stupid. He was reporting on the aftermath and there were no 'funny stories'. Sayerslle (talk) 12:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I will not discuss more about the language issue. However, it should be mentioned that wikipedia is not a news source, but it is an online encyclopedia. Which means that it is not bounded by "journalism"s or any other profession's code of conduct. That's why, "verifiability" principle/rule of wikipedia do not forbid the use of non-english sources. Response to your "funny story" sensitivity is here. Logos5557 (talk) 15:10, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Reliable sources in Turkish

Any reliable sources in Turkish, or not in English, are welcome as per Verifiability Logos5557 (talk) 13:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

There you go. http://www.zaman.com.tr/politika_reyhanli-saldirisini-el-kaide-ustlendi-basbakandan-aciklama-bekliyoruz_2146140.html , http://www.mynet.com/haber/guncel/el-kaide-reyhanliyi-ustlendi-iddiasi-816721-1 KazekageTR (talk) 20:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

you have to provide translations as well. In my opinion, odatv isn't a reliable source. Kavas (talk) 17:51, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Its not about your opinion, there are lots of news sites say that ISIS claim responsibility. By the way mynet and zaman are popular news corps, Another one, http://www.aydinlikdaily.com/Al-Qaeda-Claims-Responsibility-for-Reyhanlı-790 KazekageTR (talk) 23:05, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Link leads to an interesting looking page, but there's nothing on Al-Qaeda taking responsibility for Reyhanlı bombings. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)