Talk:2014 Eastern Syria offensive

121th regiment

i am sure that the 121th regiment is under the control of IS.Alhanuty (talk) 19:40, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Yes they are — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.136.151.190 (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Tabqa air base

Significant battle in terms of losses to both sides, and complicated history. Might justify standalone to flesh out. -- GreenC 21:04, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

   At the moment it feels like too much trouble to reconstruct how to create a URL for comparing two articles (as opposed to the routine, handily-packaged comparison of revisions of the same article). Instead, i've copied the source of the current (half-day old) revision of the accompanying article into the edit window for the current revision of "Battle for Tabqa Air base" (as if i contemplated replacing the former by the latter, tho i have no such intention) in order see conveniently, quickly, and error-resistantly how they differ. I find that the {{Infobox military conflict}} data in the respective lead sections differ appropriately, and the "...Offensive..." article's section on the battle tracks closely the other's "The Battle" section.
   I note the following minor differences between the similar passages:

• 4th 'graph: ref named "heavylosses" provides, in the "battle" article, the lk REPORTS: SYRIA TROOPS KILL SCORES OF JIHADIS, while in the "offensive" article that link has been established as a named reference in a previous section
• 5th: ref named "republican" is absent in the accompanying "offensive" article, and i thus presume it constitutes an improvement made only to the "battle" article
• 7th:
  • refs "tabqafallen" and "monitor" are at the same position within the prose contexts, tho their order is opposite
  • as with "heavylosses" in the "4th-'graph" bullet point above, so with "tabqafallen" in the 7th
  • "AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles" in the "offensive" article corresponds to "[[K-13 (missile)|Atoll missiles]]" in the "battle" one. The K-13 article clarifies the close relationship of the Sidewinder, to the Atoll that apparently had actually been supplied to Syria by USSR or Russia.
• 10th: the adjacent 1st pair of refs are in opposite order in the two articles

   I conclude that divergence of the content of the section and the article it was copied to are all harmless, and the situation calls for no effort to merge anything from the original location in one page's section to the other page's content.
--Jerzy•t 10:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

("evacuated" or "routed"?)

Pictures released by IS show at least four maybe five MiG 21Bs captured. Base clearly looks overrun, so it was not evacuated but routed. http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/08/islamic_state_photos.php --Tgoll774 (talk) 13:00, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Note Well:
   The subtopic content Tgoll implicitly refers to is no longer part of the accompanying article, but now appears as part of Battle for Tabqa Air base. Talk responses concerning it should be contributed (below and subordinate to the copy there of the immediately preceding talk contrib, and below --but not necessarily subordinate to-- my verbose effort to document clearly my repair of the unusual situation) at talk:Battle for Tabqa Air base#"Evacuated" or "routed"?.
--Jerzy•t 10:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

How much detail on air-base battle?

   The air-base battle was initially covered in detail at 2014_Eastern_Syria_offensive#Battle_of_Tabqa_air_base, but the proposal was made on the page's talk page, and carried out IIRC about a month later, to create a separate article for that battle. There was no discussion about how that would change the article on the offensive that includes the battle, but we've long been clear that covering the same ground, in the same depth, in multiple articles creates chaos; the question of how much difference in depth there should be is, as far as i can see, not subject to a formula, and i'm not even going to propose a long-term "depth" for the offensive's article's coverage of the battle. I doubt greatly that simply a link to the battle's coverage would be optimum, but IMO it's a good starting place, and i'll settle for that rather than get deeper into the question than i can quickly go, mostly leaving it to others to decide what balance among the aspects of the battle deserve priority.
--Jerzy•t 10:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

   Part of the problem with my foregoing intent is that it appears the section heading, however it may have begun, is not descriptive of its content: rather, the battle may be just the biggest event during its duration, and other material related only chronologically is dumped in with it. (Maybe that's the best that amateurs can muster.)
   I will say again what i do know: the article and the section of a larger that corresponds to it can't have the same depth of coverage, and reducing the latter all the way to a link to the former is a step in the right direction. Some material in the battle's article may be related (other than chronologically) to the rest of it, or it may need to moved back into sections whose best possible titles might be "Events between xyz and Battle of Tabqa air base".
--Jerzy•t 10:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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