Talk:2015–2016 Latakia offensive

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Removed about 12. Not Found. Tried several times. This is what happens when bloggers are used as RS. They delete or move data or close accounts. Some were the so called Syrian Observatory of Human Rights (SOHOR). The one man blogger. Some text left in, now requires RS. SaintAviator lets talk 07:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Non english written links. No translation available. No checking possible to see what its saying. Deleted. Some text left in, now requires RS. SaintAviator lets talk 07:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Use foreign language refs ONLY when English language ones not available. Dont use them as well just for the sake of it. This is from a discussion on use of them on The Village Pump. SaintAviator lets talk 23:32, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Syrian Army liberated Salma

Meanwhile the Syrian Army liberated the strategic village of Salma and surrounding villages too. The map needs an update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramataklan (talk • contribs) 15:30, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Strategic Analysis

While Strategic Analysis is a good idea, Im finding this too shallow. Its speculative. The ref is from a site in a nation that arms Syrian Jihadist beheaders. Qatar. [1] Its biased. Unbalanced. Discuss First. Reverting. Get the other sides story too. SaintAviator lets talk 07:37, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

No one said it was a neutral source. It is the "strategic analysis" from the stand point of the opposition. And this is fine because on Wikipedia we need to expose all points of view. This is why the paragraph starts with "According to analysis by Al Jazeera, ".

You say: "Get the other sides story too." Great. But are you saying that we can only create a "Strategic Analysis" section once we have all the sides story at the same time? I did my part of the job and wrote the analysis part that is from the stand point of the opposition. Am I expected to also find analysis from the other sides? Why don't you do that? Or let someone else do it? We are now building a relatively new article one piece at a time. We cannot have everything ready at the same time. Wikipedia is an incremental process. Wikipedia:There is no deadline. Wikipedia:Don't demolish the house while it's still being built. Tradedia^talk 01:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Well discussion is good. Points. It was worded in a way that sounded biased. So it looked unbalanced. Talk about Qatars role. A note here would have been best, before. Once the others sides in, its going to be bloated. Needs succinct rewriting. Maybe work in your sandbox, link here. SaintAviator lets talk 02:23, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I have put the section below. We can leave it here for 2 weeks so that you and others can add in other sides story, rewrite it, make it more balanced, etc. and then put it back in the article. Sounds fair? This article should be more than just the usual daily news dump... Tradedia^talk 07:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Dude dont take offence, but Latakia cant be viewed as an island. The SAA and allies are after all of Syria. From Latakia they push into Idlib, now thats strategic. Watch this [2] and this [3] as background. SaintAviator lets talk 08:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so you have a different point of view? Good. Write it into the “Strategic Analysis” section below. Tradedia^talk 05:53, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Head choppers invade your nation supported by Turks / Sauds / Qatar etc. Heres some strategy. Destroy them all or drive them out. http://news.yahoo.com/afp-exclusive-assad-vows-retake-whole-country-warns-150319669.html SaintAviator lets talk 06:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Good. Write it into the “Strategic Analysis” section below. Tradedia^talk 07:07, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Been busy SaintAviator lets talk 00:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so I have started incorporating some of the elements from the stand point of the gov that you suggested. So I added the expression "pro-opposition Al Jazeera" and I added a new paragraph for the point of view of gov: "On the other hand, the Syrian government claims to be aiming to reconquer the whole of Syria. In this case, after recovering all of Latakia, the next logical step might be to move into neighboring Idlib and recover what was lost to the opposition earlier in the year.[4]." What do you think? Tradedia^talk 17:02, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

I will wait one more week to allow you and others to edit this "Strategic Analysis" section and then I will put it back into the article. Tradedia^talk 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done From now on, changes to the "Strategic Analysis" section should be made directly in the article. Tradedia^talk 23:48, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Text for "Strategic Analysis" section for article

According to analysis by pro-opposition [[Al Jazeera]], the objective of the Latakia offensive is to consolidate a potential [[Alawi]] dominated state (supported by Russia) that would extend from the Coast to Damascus, passing by Hama and Homs. This would entail forcing the population to leave the North of Latakia so that they would be replaced by government supporters. According to the same source, the offensive aims also at embarrassing and pressuring the Turkish government since most of the population in North Latakia are from Turkmen origin. The source attributes the advance by government troops to the powerful missiles used by the Russian airforce and to the lack of support from rebels in Idlib and Hama governorates.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.aljazeera.net/news/reportsandinterviews/2016/1/2/%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B0%D8%A7-%D9%8A%D8%B5%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A5%D8%AE%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B0%D9%82%D9%8A%D8%A9|title=لماذا يصر النظام وروسيا على إخضاع ريف اللاذقية؟|author=عمر أبو خليل|work=[[Al Jazeera]]|accessdate=7 February 2016}}</ref>

On the other hand, the Syrian government claims to be aiming to reconquer the whole of Syria. In this case, after recovering all of Latakia, the next logical step might be to move into neighboring Idlib and recover what was lost to the opposition earlier in the year.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.yahoo.com/news/afp-exclusive-assad-vows-retake-whole-country-warns-150319669.html?ref=gs|title=AFP EXCLUSIVE: Assad vows to retake Syria, amid new ceasefire push|author=Sammy Ketz and Christian Chaise|work=AFP|accessdate=13 April 2016}}</ref>

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Requested move 2 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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Latakia offensive (2015–2016) → 2015–16 Latakia offensive – Per WP:NATURALDIS and MOS:DATERANGE; also for consistency with 2013 Latakia offensive, 2014 Latakia offensive, and 2016 Latakia offensive (which has already been moved from Latakia offensive (2016)). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:13, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

• Support per the above. I actually prefer the names that use the dates at the end, but the consensus trend seems to be away from that, so I won't buck it, and will !vote with WP:CONSISTENCY.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  19:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support, as per SMcCandlish – I too wish the naming convention put the years at the end. But... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:52, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

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