Talk:2015 Hungarian Grand Prix/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 11:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Overall this looks a pretty good article; I could probably pass it without any changes as it meets the GA criteria. However, I'll list my improvement suggestions below. Harrias ^talk 11:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Images

• All main images are appropriately licensed and captioned (I'm amazed at the number of pictures freely released from one race alone!)

Thank you! I am trying my best to get good pictures of all races through Flickr, and all the users there are very helpful if you ask them to change the licences. Just now I was able to get great pictures of Sunday's Mexican Grand Prix :)

• The flags are a bit of a sticking point. MOS:FLAG warns against the use of flags on their own, after all, as not everyone knows what the Venezuelan flag (for example) looks like. I appreciate that the flags do link to the country articles, but I would prefer something like {{flagathlete|[[Pastor Maldonado]]|VEN}}, producing Pastor Maldonado (VEN), which is more intuitive within the article itself.

You make a good point. However, I need to stick with the conventions of the WikiProject here. I will raise the issue on the Project talk page though. Zwerg Nase (talk) 21:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

This was raised during a Featured Article nomination six years ago and subsequently discussed in the F1 Project and the decision was made to keep using the existing system. Since then new technologies have been developed and the MOS, which is a just a guideline anyway, has become outdated in that respect. There are now mouseovers and even screen reader functions within the flag templates, making the accessibility concerns really minor. Tvx1 01:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

As mentioned, this is above and beyond GA criteria anyway. Were this an FA, I would be more likely to push the point. As you say, Wikipedia has moved on a lot in six years, and while that means the MOS may be outdated, it also means that discussion is likely outdated. I think another conversation about the matter would be worthwhile, it only to explore options, even if you decide, again to stick with the status quo. Harrias ^talk 12:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Tables

• Is there any need for the 85% font size, which can be be an accessibility issue. (The guideline does allow reductions down to 85%, as you have, but it advises using it sparingly.)

Oh, this is a neverending story really. The Wikiproject switched to these tables at the beginning of 2015 because of display issues with the regular wikitables on mobile devices. Now, these issues have been sorted out but I have so far been unsuccessful to get a consensus in the Project to switch the tables back. I will raise the issue again, but I am afraid, for now I'll have to leave them like they are. I'd much rather have them like they were before, as can be seen in my first GA F1 race report... Zwerg Nase (talk) 21:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

The font size is independent from the choice of table format. You can change that without having to change them to wikitables. That has nothing to do with it. Tvx1 01:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Lead

• "..with a 17 point lead over teammate.." Should be "17-point lead".

 Done

Background

• "..after the passing of former Marussia driver Jules Bianchi on 17 July 2015, who had crashed at the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix and remained in a coma for the preceding nine months." The use of "preceding" is a little confusing, as the last thing to be referred to before that was the actual crash, giving the impression he was in the coma before the crash. It might work as well simply as ""..after the passing of former Marussia driver Jules Bianchi on 17 July 2015, who had crashed at the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix and remained in a coma for nine months."

 Done

• "..many of them in form of messages.." This seems like it is missing a word: "..many of them in the form of messages.." Maybe?

 Done

• "The drivers and members of the Bianchi family (parents and siblings) linked in a chain arm in arm.." This runs on a little, perhaps split it further: {{xt|"The drivers, and members of the Bianchi family (parents and siblings), linked in a chain arm in arm.."

 Done

Free practice

• "Meanwhile, the Red Bulls finished fourth and fifth." While it is reasonably clear what this means, it might be better to clarify, "Meanwhile, the Red Bull drivers finished fourth and fifth.

 Done

• "While Jolyon Palmer replaced Romain Grosjean during first free practice again.." I'm not sure about the word "again", given this isn't information presented earlier in the article. Maybe something like "..as he had in previous race weekends."?

 Done

Qualifying

• Rather than "Q1", which a layperson might not understand, I'd write it out "the first round of qualifying". Similarly for Q2, although as it is used twice, you could write it out the first time, with the abbreviation in brackets, and only use the abbreviation second time.

Forgot the introduce the abbreviation at the first mention as I usually do. Have done so now.

• "..by setting "probably the most dominant" pole of his career.." I think it would be worth explaining that this was Hamilton's own opinion.

 Done

Race

• Is there a wikilink for "chicane"?

As WP:LINK states that we should not wikilink "Everyday words understood by most readers in context", I feel that chicane would fall under that category, but surely that is open for debate.

• "..while Bottas and Ricciardo touched at the start, sending the Australian back to seventh while the Finn.." To this point in the article, the nationalities of Ricciardo and Bottas haven't been mentioned, so the second half of the sentence isn't necessarily obvious to people who don't know the drivers.

 Done

• "..at this point, behind held up by the Australian, who was.." Should it be "being", rather than "behind"?

Rephrased.

• Is there a wikilink for "Virtual Safety Car"?

In this case, a wikilink is certainly warrented.  Done

• "..to lead the field through pit lane.." Missing "the" before "pit lane".

Agreed, leaving it out is a little too colloquial.

• "..in turn one, handing Ricciardo the position. Hamilton was handed a.." Repetition of "hand"

 Done

Post-race

• '..so this one is for him [...]."' Given you end the quote, you don't the ellipsis at the end: '..so this one is for him".' would suffice.

The sentence goes on in the actual quote, so I need to make that fact clear.

• Italicise The Guardian.

 Done

References

• Ref#1 has Formula1.com, while ref#2, 7 and 16, which are also formula1.com references uses "FIA", while ref#13 has "formula1.com. FOM.", and ref#43 has "Formula.com. Formula One Administration"

 Done

• The Guardian should be italicised in all references it is used.

 Done, also for Der Spiegel

• Ref#45 shouldn't be in all caps, we apply our own MOS to source titles.

 Done

• What makes "F1Fanatic", which describes itself as a blog, a reliable source?

This issue has been raised before in the review for the Monaco race. In the project, Keith Collantine's blog is generally accepted as an absolute institution in F1 coverage. He is an absolute regular at the races, appearing on TV and being present at the press conferences. Since the Monaco review, I have cut back on using F1Fanatic a little because of the objections raised there, but he simply is the only one to write very comprehensive reports on the free practice sessions and espacially on qualifying, where many sources often only cover Q3. Therefore I still use him where I don't find other sources as detailed as his reports.

That sounds reasonable to me. Harrias ^talk 12:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

• Similar for "autoblog"?

I cannot vouch for this one, so I replaced with another source.

I'll stick this on hold for the time being. Harrias ^talk 12:20, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@Harrias: Thank you for your very good review! Please look over the changes I have made. Regards, Zwerg Nase (talk) 23:15, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm now more than happy to pass this as a GA.

Thank you! :) Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)