Talk:2016 Dabiq offensive

Villages recaptured by ISIL on 11 Oct.

There are two separate versions of the recent advances. Some Twitter sources report FSA captured Duwaybiq but later lost it. However, SOHR never reported it being captured by FSA. In all its reports it said that clashes were ongoing. Instead of Duwaybiq, the third village (Ihtmiylat and Kafra being the other villages) captured by FSA was Dahariya. And the latest report only mentions Ihtmiylat and Kafra being recaptured by ISIL. I'll usually go with SOHR. The problem is I cannot find Dahariya on a map. Neither under English or Arabic. Any town or village in Aleppo Governorate does not seem to have a name at all close to it. Who should we prefer? 61.1.56.185 (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I have found mention of Dahariya (الظاهرية) west of Jarabulus in a tweet by Sham Legion: https://twitter.com/ShamLegion/status/769907817390174208 61.1.56.185 (talk) 23:14, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I generally stick with SOHR and just the numbers of villages reported. As for their names, I usually add the names of only notable towns. EkoGraf (talk) 17:23, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

So should we remove the Twitter sources and Liveuamap (it is based on Twitter sources as well) and information based on it regarding the recent advances on 11-12 October? I don't think they should be used unless no other alternative source of information is available. If you want to remove them, I'm with you. 117.199.95.154 (talk) 18:11, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Agree with you about the Twitter sources and Liveuamap. Liveuamap's sources are twitter and I think we should only use official twitter posts. EkoGraf (talk) 20:08, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Sawran by Al-Masdar

Why is Al-Masdar being added here? Of course, all sources must be presented here but only if they are completely reliable. No one except Al-Masdar has stated Sawran was captured. In addition Al-Masdar has given several premature or wrong reports for example al-Rayhan which it stated had been captured by SAA on 11 Oct. However clashes are still ongoing there. This source should be avoided. 61.0.201.245 (talk) 04:05, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

And Al-Masdar did say three villages. Read the source carefully. I'm highlighting thd third village in the third para of the article which you might have not read carefully:

To make matters worse for the IS terrorists, the Islamist rebels reigned control over the village of Ghayton only to capture the adjacent city of Sawran after hours of intense clashes.

Asides from the Al-Ghilaniyah, and Arshaf villages (the Kuwaiti Farms being the farms that were captured), it also stated this Ghayton village was captured. 61.0.201.245 (talk) 04:26, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Don't close this page for a few days

Eko just as a word of caution, don't present this offensive as ended for a few days. Of course any new villages that are captured from now on should be part of another offensive. But this offensive keeps having lots of ping-pongs where one group leaves and comes back again hours or a few days later. I suggest we wait for a few days. If there is no recapture by ISIL in atleast 3 or 4 days, then we should show the offensive as ended. 117.199.84.72 (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Already intended to wait a few days before closing so to see how the situation develops. EkoGraf (talk) 21:17, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Needless to mention as Dabiq is difficult to defend, it has a higher probability of a ping-pong. 117.199.84.72 (talk) 21:29, 16 October 2016 (UTC)