Talk:2016 Philippine Senate election

Please don't use the terms "COC" and "COMELEC"

"COC" is ambiguous; most usages of it don't spell out what it means, which should be "certificate of candidacy". Please use "candidacy" instead, e.g. "He filed his candidacy", instead of "He filed his COC". "COC" would also mean "certificate of canvass" and would cause confusion later on.

And I don't think these people play COC either.

As for COMELEC, it's the same thing. I suggest to use "commission" instead. Unlike "COC" I won't be actively changing "COMELEC" to "commission" as it's not that "mission critical". –HTD 17:50, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Edits by Petalcorin

The above named user has blanked the article in an attempt to add a comment that should go on this page; I invite them to do so here. That said, I don't see how this article is different from every other election article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

• He is a "candidate" so that would count as WP:Advertisement and WP:Conflict of interest. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 10:43, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comment

This page is a target of heavy WP:Vandalism. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 10:42, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Why are you posting an RfC for vandalism? WP:ANI seems like the proper avenue for a situation like this. Meatsgains (talk) 03:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

What question are we being asked to comment on here?  I agree with Meatsgains's statement.
Richard27182 (talk) 09:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

I have removed the RFC template – this was clearly misused. If there are problems with vandalism, please report it to WP:RFPP. Number 57 21:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Lists

This article is an absolute mess. Let's start by condensing the candidates section to only include notable candidates. Right now the list is overwhelming. Meatsgains (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

The candidates section should probably be spun off to Candidates in the Philippine Senate election, 2016 just like Candidates in the Philippine Senate election, 2013. Might as well do that once the COMELEC publishes the final list of candidates. –HTD 17:01, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Naming conventions

• Princess Jacel Kiram - See WP:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Royals with a substantive title.

• "Tonyboy" Aquino, "Princess Angel" Jaafar and "Juror" Lagare - See WP:Naming conventions (people)#Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens

• "Isko Moreno" Domagoso and "Alma Moreno" Lacsamana same as above but their last name is is used in the candidate list.

There were also missing candidates from the tables. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 09:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

You do very well know that your second set contradicts with your third set of examples. "Isko Moreno" is the screen name of Francisco Domagoso.

Jacel Kiram's is an interesting case. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Royal surnames, I believe, is the more appropriate guideline. Is she using "Kiram" as her actual surname? If she's using a surname as a "commoner" would, then she forfeits the "Princess" designation, unless we'll be moving her name to Princess Jacel of Sulu (currently Jacel Kiram is redirected to Jamalul Kiram, or would that have to be Jamalul III of Sulu?

Which brings me to, use actual Wikipedia article names as links whenever possible. The most obvious exception is if the article title is diambiguated such as Richard Gordon (politician). If you'd want to use "Isko Moreno Domagoso" and "Alma Moreno Lacsamana", then initiate an WP:RM to move those articles to Isko Moreno Domagoso and Alma Moreno Lacsamana, respectively. And why aren't we doing this for Mar Daang Matuwid Roxas? –HTD 15:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Not even going to touch the stage names debate. That is pretty much resolved by now. Princess Jacel's "surname" is actually the name of her royal house so she has the right to use it as a surname or not. There are a lot of work needed to the titling of royals in the Philippines and currently incomplete. The media most commonly refers to Jamalul III as Jamalul Kiram III as the third reigning Sultan with that name. Royals may or may not have last names depending on country but there is a universal way on how to refer to them. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 23:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

In the end, the most important voice here is the media. Ultimately, third party sources name her with her title so as long as published works do so, it continues here as well. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 23:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

These media are using "princess" as a title, just like how "president" is used in the phrase "President Benigno Aquino III". Are we going to move Aquino's article to "President Benigno Aquino III"? No.

Your argument about royal surnames has been dealt with at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Royal surnames. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Royals with a substantive title doesn't work in this case as Jacel doesn't have a substantive title, well none that we know of, unless she's duchess of Jolo or something. If ever we'd be including the word "Princess", it should be following Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Other royals, and she should be listed as "Princess Jacel of Sulu".

And this leaves one important question, if we're calling her "Princess Jacel" here, why aren't we calling her dad "Sultan Jamalul"? –HTD 01:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Noynoy Aquino is (*not*) a royal. Even if he was his title should either be Prince or King because his mom was Queen. Her case is much more similar to Datu Daya, Dayang Kalangitan, Rajah Humabon, and Sultan Kudarat. Yes, her dad should be called Sultan Jamalul III but Tausug naming conventions seem to use the royal house as the surname. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 11:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

So as it stands, you said we should follow the Wikipedia guidelines on naming royals, so her name should be at "Princess Jacel of Sulu". But the "Tausug naming customs", which uses surnames, says we should rename her AS "Jacel Kiram" as per WP:TITLESINTITLES. Which is which? –HTD 09:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

She is named based on what the media calls her. "Princess Jacel Kiram" It's that simple. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:01, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Going by that logic, since the president is always called "President Benigno Aquino III", his article should be at President Benigno Aquino III. You don't include the person's title. We're not adding "Senator" to every entry to who is/was a senator, right? If we're creating an article about Jacel Kiram, and we're putting at Princess Jacel Kiram, then by all means, let's name her that way on the list. Currently, no policy or guideline tells us that naming a potential article as "Princess Jacel Kiram" is a good idea.

FWIW, Malaysian media consistently don't call her "Princess Jacel Kiram", but just "Jacel Kiram", but they're probably toeing the party line on that. There's plenty of Malaysian articles about her as Anwar's wife had a photo op with her. –HTD 17:47, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Malaysian media is actually mixed. Pro-government call her without the title but pro-opposition use the title. It was Anwar's daughter. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:57, 29 January 2016 (UTC)