Talk:2016 United States presidential election recounts

POV Problems

This page reeks of partisan politics which is not in keeping with Wikipedia standards. For this article to remain in neutral POV it must mention:

1) Trump said he would accept the results if they were truthful 2) Clinton said that she felt Donald Trump's refusal to accept the election ballots unless they were fair was horrifying. 3) The main stream media then spent weeks ripping Trump into shreds while they and Obama and Hillary claimed that no American election could ever be rigged. 4) American History does show rigging happens. The hanging chads. The rigged machines. 5) Obama told Trump to "stop whining." 6) It has been rumored that Obama pressured Hillary to concede. 7) Hillary called Trump and conceded the election 8) Hillary has yet to come out and speak to the public about why she changed her mind after she, Obama and the press both made fun of Trump for suggesting elections could be rigged, but then why she blamed Russia personally for rigging an election she claimed could not be rigged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14B:4401:D5C0:8BD:3CE0:588A:505B (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Regarding #8, it is standard procedure for the legal counsels of candidates to partake in recount and oversee them. Trump's legal counsel will also participate. But furthermore, it is important to mention that Hillary's campaign stepped in 'after' the recount petition was sent and was approved by Wisconsin Election Commission, forcing their hand by Jill Stein. “Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise this option ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides.” -Mark Elias WatchFan⁰⁷ 22:45, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I do not recall Clinton saying "she felt Donald Trump's refusal to accept the election ballots unless they were fair was horrifying. " Did she actually demand that Trump accept UNFAIR election results, or that he accept election results? Did she say "horrifying?" Is the claim just a paraphrase of something she said? Reference to a reliable source would be helpful, so this does not seem like partisan propaganda. Edison (talk) 14:36, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Did you watch the 3rd debate? I can't link here, but search youtube for "Hillary Clinton Horrifying" it should be the first link. Trump said he will look at the results at the time to see if he is treated fairly, and Hillary's response was that that is horrifying. She more said it in the context of "It's horrifying to imply that an election would be unfair" rather than in the context of "It's horrifying that someone would not accept unfair results", but yes, when Trump said he would see if he was treated fairly before deciding to accept the results, her response was "that's horrifying". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.215.144.130 (talk • contribs) 02:22, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm reading the transcript for the 3rd debate and you seem to have remembered it wrong. The moderator asks Trump if he will concede if he loses the election and he says "What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense, okay?" Clinton says this is horrifying and then goes off on how Trump always calls things that don't go his way rigged. Anyways, this is an article about the recounts, not conceding the election. ^Falling_Gravity 02:59, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I recommend reading the full answer to the question - Trump has never answered anything in two sentences. "I will look at it at the time. I’m not looking at anything now, I'll look at it at the time. What I've seen, what I’ve seen, is so bad. [...] If you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people that are registered to vote. Millions. This isn't coming from me. This is coming from Pew report and other places. Millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote." Trump had what he felt were legitimate concerns about the integrity of the election and wanted to see if it was fair before deciding. Hillary's response was "let me respond to that because that’s horrifying." As I said, this was said in the context of 'it's horrifying to imply that an election would be unfair', as she goes on to say "every time Donald thinks things aren't going in his direction, he claims whatever it is, is rigged against him. [...] This is a mind-set. This is how Donald thinks, and it's funny, but it's also really troubling. That is not the way our democracy works. We've been around for 240 years. We've had free and fair elections. We've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them, and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election." Not sure what part you said I was remembering wrong. As I said in my previous response, Trump wanted to wait and see if it was fair, and Hillary replied that that's horrifying and went on to explain how absurd it is to imply that an election would be unfair/rigged. Also, this is very relevant to the recount, because Hillary was getting after Trump for implying that an election could be rigged, yet she is now supporting recount efforts in states that could only flip if it was rigged, states where the difference is over 70,000 votes. Even though, in her own words, "We've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.215.144.130 (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

up to date?

Hello, reading the links, this is over and reading the article it seems like another story, can we have this article updated please? Govindaharihari (talk) 08:50, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

More on Michigan

The recount in Michigan has brought to light a potential controversy on which precincts can conduct a recount and which cannot. Of the 3,047 precincts currently sited in the Wiki article, 322 (~10.5%) were deemed not recountable under Michigan law. The most common reason is that the total number of ballots in the ballot box did not match the number of votes written in the toll book. The vote results listed in this Wiki article are from the 2,725 precincts that were recountable and did complete their recount. From another article, here are some actual reasons for rejection:

• A zipper broke on one precinct's ballot box, and it was seated up with duct tape.
• One precinct had a difference of one ballot between the ballot box total and the toll book.
• One precinct had 50 ballots in the ballot box that registered 300 in the toll book.

Vstr (talk) 20:49, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Edit request to protected page

Green Party request for recount rejected by Judge Diamond, please integrate into article - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/12/12/pennsylvania-recount-request-green-party/95328846/ ProfessorTofty (talk) 16:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Also, please mark the page as protected with the lock at the top. Very confusing if it's not. ProfessorTofty (talk) 16:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Note - this request is now redundant to what was posted just below. ProfessorTofty (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 12 December 2016. "Pennsylvania"

Update map to my latest version and Pennsylvania section due to latest news that the recount was rejected . Also add a lock at the top to indicate that it was locked. Thanks The Infobox Strikes Again! (talk) 17:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Question: please be more specific about which map is the latest version? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

The Latest version of the map is here. It was updated on commons, but needed to be updated on the article.

Hope that helps.

The Infobox Strikes Again! (talk) 20:20, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I think you'll find that is the exact same image as on the article. If you're not seeing it, try purging — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:32, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I see it, but I also still see an unnecessary orange box in the key "Lawsuit filed to compel a recount." That box is no longer necessary, as there is now only yellow and red in the map. The orange should be removed in the key, and the red updated to read something like "Recount halted or rejected." ProfessorTofty (talk) 22:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Wisconsin: protected request

The following should be added to the wisconsin section, replacing the "as of" sentence

• The final result of the recall confirmed Trump's victory in Wisconsin, where he gained a net 131 votes. Trump gained 837 additional votes, while Clinton gained 706 additional votes.

References

Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)