Talk:2017 North Indian Ocean cyclone season

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Sri Lanka floods & Mora

As the floods in Sri Lanka are brought from the convective area which later developed into Mora, should we add the death toll to Mora? 🐱💬 10:00, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

@Meow: Literally asking the same question. But some sources say that the 180 fatalities were flooding before Mora, so in my opinion I don't really think Mora did this but it should have a mention. A recent source just says that only 2 fatalities have been confirmed so far from Mora. By the way, good idea for your username there, though you were someone else :). Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:44, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

We could always just list it as indirect, as was done with Stan (I think?), since I think only a dozen were killed directly by Stan, but up to 2,000 perished in floods that were related to Stan but not actually from the storm itself. --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 10:27, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

@MarioProtIV: Forgot to mention that but yep I agree with you for that. So in reality, Mora has just killed 5 people so far. And again, a mention about the Sri Lanka flooding is necessary for this. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Since we did that for Roanu last year, and it was the same country, same basin, and (roughly) the same scale of fatalities (around 200), I think we should do it for Mora as well. Damien4794 (talk) 12:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Do we have proof the Sri Lanka was due to Mora? If so, it should be included no questions asked (and the Sri Lanka flood article should be merged into Mora). YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:45, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

yes. It should be added because the same thing happened with 2001 sri lanka cyclone and Cyclone roanu.the precursor disturbance only caused the deaths in all the cases..then why mora will be excluded? Alaha.cyclone (talk) 08:50, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Moreover all the news articles published that mora has caused the deaths sri lanka so it should be immediately added. Alaha.cyclone (talk) 08:56, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Depression designations

Hi Typhoon2013, KN2731, and MarioProtIV. I have a question regarding our designation of the recent tropical depression. Why have we now changed its designation from 'BOB 03' to 'LAND 01'? This is in contradiction with the true designation of the storm, as given by the India Meteorological Department's RSMC New Delhi. Even in their final bulletin on the system, and also on their website, they designate it as 'BOB 03' (regardless of the fact that it is no longer a depression over the Bay of Bengal), and nowhere is anything to do with 'LAND' mentioned. There may be a reason for using this new version, but I think it would be best, and most accurate, for us to use the correct designation as assigned by the official meteorological organisation tracking the system. ChocolateTrain (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: Hi and thanks for providing a source and for sure I have made the mistake and it is "BOB 03". The problem is, is that in previous years, IMD never designates systems (they only called it as "BOB" or "ARB"), as to the previous years where some systems only persisted over in land thus calling it "Land Depressions". But I guess IMD has now learned their lesson to designate their systems. :)

Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:04, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I can not let that comment pass @Typhoon2013: without a rebuttal. The IMD has always designated its systems ARB, BOB or Land ever since ive been here, whcih is why we use the ARB, BOB and Land Designations. To do so otherwise would be original research.Jason Rees (talk) 11:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: I must've not said it clearly too. What I mean are the numbers like BOB 06. I do know that IMD designates their systems for like many years now but they used to not number it. Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: They certainly have put them in the CWIND bulletin and the BT Database in recent years. Will dig up links later.Jason Rees (talk) 09:59, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Oh well then I never knew about this to be very honest. Especially how I remembered that there were some users who were "wondering" about the designation like a few years ago. I'll find it up. Plus I never knew IMD have BTs. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Bangladesh fatalities possibly related to BOB 03

Hi (again!) @Typhoon2013:. Long time no 'see'... not. Sorry for pinging you again. I have another question. This news article talks about at least 35 people having died as a result of "heavy monsoon rains", and this more recent article talks about 53 people having died as a result of "torrential rain". However, I think it may actually be the deep depression that is responsible. The articles refer to "southeast Bangladesh", specifically the Rangamati, Bandarban and Chittagong districts. This is where the deep depression made landfall and continued to track. The first article says that the meteorological department says these areas have been battered with heavy rain since Monday (which is when the system began impacting land). Should I add 53 fatalities to the season effects table, and also to the main infobox for the article? I thought I'd ask you, as you're the most active cyclone article contributor, and you definitely seem to know what you're talking about. Thanks again. ChocolateTrain (talk) 09:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: Hello again. By all means, go for it as long as it has a source then it's fine. Literally when a storm impacts land, I check the news of course and when the numbers change (or rise) then I update the totals and update the source. :) Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

IP user making unhelpful edits

@Typhoon2013: There is an IP user who has been consistently making poor, unhelpful edits for the past few days. He continues to revert my fixes on the BOB 04 section, and includes non-existent words, poor expression, words which he does not clarify the meaning of, unsourced content, etc. I have explained what I am doing in a number of edit summaries, but he continues to ignore them. I won't be able to contact him on his talk page, as his IP changes slightly every time. I am just wondering if we should have the page semi-protected for a while. What do you think? ChocolateTrain (talk) 09:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Its not worth it but be careful, you do not break the 3 reverts rule.Jason Rees (talk) 11:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not disputing that your fixes were constructive, but what were the "non-existent" words in their edits? His wording appears to mirror the IMD advisories, but I don't see any non-existent words? — Iunetalk 21:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Iune: 'Westcentral' is not a word. Also, 'adjoining' (though a word) is not used with reference to another place to which the Bay of Bengal adjoins. The IMD may use this, but their first language is not English and it is for the purpose of advisories only, not an encyclopedia. ChocolateTrain (talk) 07:34, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

True, your wording was much better than the clunky IMD advisories. I saw your edits and had been trying to find the non-existent words without success (I guess I've gotten too used to the IMD). :P — Iunetalk 14:18, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Iune: Ha ha ha :) ChocolateTrain (talk) 04:07, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Evidence for existence of LAND02

Hi, I just visited the article for a quick update and saw the storm 'LAND02' which supposedly existed from 28-30 Aug. I tried searching for bulletins but the TWOs never mentioned the depression. Neither are there any STWOs or bulletins issued on the depression. The sources given in the article only point to news sources which I don't think we should rely on for official info. Maybe I missed something but is there any official bulletin out there which mentioned the depression? Thanks Damien4794 (talk) 08:59, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Damien4794: That's exactly what I thought. I had been checking the IMD website every day through that period, and not once did I see mention of the low-pressure area being upgraded to a depression. After I removed the depression from the article for that reason, however, Typhoon2013 reverted and said there had been one and that I needed to check the IMD website more often. So... I don't know what's going on. Hmmm. ChocolateTrain (talk) 02:31, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: I have left a message for someone who I know who can check on previous advisories by any agency but still haven't replied. After confirming other sources from other users who have edited this article so far states that the "Depression" was just an LPA. As of now, I will hide this section until it is confirmed. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:12, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013: OK. ChocolateTrain (talk) 12:39, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@ChocolateTrain: Well the IMD briefly mentioned an Overland Depression during the 28th - 29th. Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:13, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Though, just to note as well that IMD also issues a BT for systems by next year so we can find missing systems and recommend to wait for that. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@Typhoon2013:Is there a source for that? Or has it been archived into the depths forever? (Maybe not forever, we'll know next year) Damien4794 (talk) 12:35, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Damien4794: It seems that IMD did not recognise this system as the department is keeping monitoring the latest system as ‘LAND 02’. I have decided to temporally change the disputed system to the ‘other system’ unless RSMC New Delhi best track data mentions it in the future. 🐱💬 15:14, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

According to this archive, the original "LAND 02" storm in question is not listed. As such, I've gone ahead and removed the storm from the season totals. However, for the sake of record-keeping, and due to the fact that a number of sources classified it as a "Depression" (including some IMD advisories), I've moved the storm's section into the "Other systems" section. LightandDark2000 (talk) 05:09, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Other systems

After contemplating it for a few weeks, I have decided to remove the Other systems section from this article. This is for several reasons as the information being added to it is not being referenced up properly, which as a result means that I have several concerns over original research being added. It is also worth noting that we do not generally monitor potential tropical cyclone (invests), even if they are issued with a TCFA by the JTWC. I also seriously question if the August depression that we marked as LAND 02 was indeed a depression, especially the only sources we have for it are media reports. I also note that LAND 02 existed a few weeks later and that the IMD havent issued a preliminary report on it.Jason Rees (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Ockhi

I went ahead and got Deep Depression 07B ready to be upgraded to Ockhi... partially. Tropical Tidbits currently saying it is a tropical cyclone at present time. EBGamingWiki (talk) 19:46, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hold your horses, tropical tidbits is not in charge of the naming in this basin and nor are the JTWC, who are about to initiate advisories on the system as TC 03B.Jason Rees (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Should we start a main page for Ockhi? It’s already killed a few.. EBGamingWiki (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Ockhi's peak

I'm sorry but is Ockhi's peak at 85 kn or at 90 kn? Whenever I come back to edit here, I see Ockhi's strength being changed and is either a VSCS or an ESCS. Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

It was close to "extremely severe". Satellite bulletins did show T5.0 but all the advisories went with 4.5 instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:245:8100:2304:84E9:1D6D:7ECE:9C1F (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

IMD 85 knots 976 hPa (from 021200 UTC (Advisroy No.20) to 030000 UTC (Advisroy No.24))/ JTWC 100 knots 961 hPa (021800 UTC (Warning No.13))--60.246.41.216 (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)