Talk:2017 Venezuelan protests

Duplication?

Sorry for being a thicko, but is this different to, or a content fork of 2014–17 Venezuelan protests? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:30, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Sorry for the late reply. We're working on removing the content fork material from the 2014–17 Venezuelan protests article. I'm moving much of that article to the 2014 Venezuelan protests article (in progress). From there, the 2014–17 article will serve as a summary of the whole movement since it has been a continuous series that occurred in waves (2014=general discontent, 2015=shortages, 2016=recall, 2017=general discontent?). The OVV summarizes it pretty well and I'm currently working on how to add that to the 2014–17 article.--ZiaLater (talk) 02:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Zia. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Take a look at 2014 Venezuelan protests if you'd like. I transferred some info from the 2014–17 Venezuelan protests article. I still have to do the 2015 and 2016 articles and some other cleaning up, but it's coming together.--ZiaLater (talk) 12:19, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Bias

I'm disappointed that Wikipedia has chosen to feature this article on the homepage. It is an extremely biased article, as typical of the articles written on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, almost all mainstream media outlets, including the BBC, show bias against the Venezuelan government, so it is very possible to source biased statements.

The opposition in Venezuela have a history of violence, including when they were in power. Since they lost power, they have continually attempted to destabilise the country, with a military coup in 2003 and organising strikes in the oil industry around the same time. The economy has suffered in recent years and the government is not as popular as it was, although it still has some popularity, as shown by the counter-demonstrations and the deaths of many government activists who have stood up to the violent protestors in this period (not mentioned in this article).

Ask yourself why, in a democratic country with regular elections, the opposition feel the need to stage violent protests that last for weeks. And ask yourself, how would your government respond to violent protestors who explicitly called for the overthrow of the government? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:FE85:D700:FC1C:E6C:E464:E0BD (talk) 08:36, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Deaths section

May remove the names of those killed during the protests since it is adding up. Will leave number of killed and location however.--ZiaLater (talk) 08:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Picture of snipers

The day the presence of snipers in El Hatillo was reported a picture was shared through social media of two armed men in top of a building in the municipality aiming below. I can't recall if it was used in this or any other article, but I think there shouldn't be a problem uploading it under a fair use license and providing sources. --Jamez42 (talk) 05:44, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jamez42: Who would the source be? We would also need permission from the source and their licensing information. Usually images on social media are have certain copyrights that do not allow them on Wikipedia.--ZiaLater (talk) 01:50, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken it was an amateur photo, it circulated in Twitter, Whatsapp and later on in newspapers. Since it's difficult to trace the source I was wondering if it could be uploaded only on the English Wikipedia under a fair use license. --Jamez42 (talk) 03:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@The Photographer: You know more about this. Any thoughts?--ZiaLater (talk) 06:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for ping me, I think that Jamez is ok, it could be easy upload it only like fair use in English Wikipedia. The main problem is trace de source because it come maybe from some photo shared by whatsapp and somebody published it on his twitter account. --The_Photographer (talk) 11:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Crisis

Hi all, there are some ambiguous elements regarding this sentence. The way it reads now refers to a crisis, but it’s confusing which crisis. If anyone could help spill some light, I’d appreciate it! Shelbyhoward423 (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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Help please

Hello I added a segment requiring a source of a controversial claim which wasn't backed up in a adequate matter and now the user ZiaLater is telling me that im a Single purpose IP, which I'm not since I both play games, watch documentaries, browse wikipeida etc on my IP. I've explained why my edit looks the way it does as can be seen from the history down below. But ZiaLater still does not respond with a adequate source, which would be very easy if it was in fact published by the claimed newspaper, on youtube. I'll remove the video entirely now since ZiaLater are not able to provide a adequate source and we therefore can assume that there isn't one. If he or anyone else can provide a adequate source than just edit it back.

History: curprev 07:05, 1 October 2019‎ ZiaLater talk contribs‎ 101,549 bytes -261‎ Single purpose IP. Undid revision 918203581 by 185.65.135.177 curprev 14:19, 27 September 2019‎ 185.65.135.177 talk‎ 101,810 bytes +261‎ Undid revision 918108124 by ZiaLater curprev 02:13, 27 September 2019‎ ZiaLater talk contribs‎ 101,549 bytes -261‎ Undid revision 917966058 by 185.65.135.177 curprev 10:18, 26 September 2019‎ 185.65.135.177 talk‎ 101,810 bytes +261‎ →‎Background: The source are inadequate. Anyone can start a youtube account and claim to be Mexicos sixth largest newspaper, who probably if they really decided to start a real channel specifically focusing on Venezuela get verified by youtube and have regular activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.65.135.177 (talk • contribs)

@185.65.135.177: Video restored. Please see discussion at the Crisis in Venezuela talk page. --Jamez42 (talk) 00:19, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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Garbage-eating video? Why?

I don't really understand why a video from late 2015 is shown in an article about protests in 2017 in a section mostly focusing on events that happened in 2016. Would make way more sense to put it in the article about the crisis as a whole, wouldn't it?

I'd really like an explanation for why it was put on there. If there ain't any, I'll just remove it. ZionniThePeruser (talk) 21:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)