Talk:2017 in public domain

Public Domain Day 2017

Hi, just as last year, I am preparing for the community's celebrations of Public Domain Day 2017. You can find out more at de:Benutzer:Gnom/Public Domain Day. Please have a look! Thanks, --Gnom (talk) 19:17, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata list

There's a nice list generated from Wikidata on Finnish Wikipedia (includes much more than Finnish creators): https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Luettelo_taiteilijoista,_joiden_teosten_suoja-aika_p%C3%A4%C3%A4ttyy_vuoden_2017_alussa. -- kosboot (talk) 14:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

US: 50 years?

Someone [1] is edit-warring about literary work in the US being the death of the author + 50 years. If they manage to add here reliable sources I am open to reinstating this material.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't call reverting it just once "edit warring". Anyway, info for future contributors: [2] Works from all over the world, including US, will enter public domain "in most countries of Africa and Asia, as well as Canada, Uruguay and Bolivia", as stated by the article, 50 years after the creator's death. For US and Europe, it is 70 years unless otherwise mentioned (such as the works of George Orwell in the US). 84.214.80.75 (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

IP editor above is correct. The US is a party to the Berne Convention. So for example in Canada when considering a foreign work (from another Berne Convention country) - if the item would be in the public domain if created in Canada, then it is considered to be in the public domain in Canada [3]. So a US author such as Cordwainer Smith who died in 1966, body of works enters the public domain in 2017 (life +50yrs) in countries such as Canada [4], even though his work is not in the public domain in his home country, the USA. MarsToutatis ^talk 21:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I understand that. The question is whether in the table "Countries with death + X" we should add only persons whose production was in these countries and became public domain, or just every person whose production became public domain in these countries even if it is still not in PD in their home country. I believe the idea was only to list the former, but I can be wrong of course.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I support the later, adding every notable work that became public domain in 2017 irrespective of copyright status in their home country. This appears to be the status quo in this article and other year in public domains, where american works are listed as entering the PD in europe, while still under copyright in the US. MarsToutatis ^talk 22:29, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

But then we are talking not just about American works but about works in every single country, regardless of the copyright laws in this country, right?--Ymblanter (talk) 22:55, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes we are talking about all notable work entering PD regardless of origin. The country of origin of the work is irrelevant to how or when it enters PD. What is important is when the work was created / when the copyright holder died. A work doesn't uniformly enter the PD worldwide. But over 95% of countries subscribe to either the life +50yrs, or life +70yrs copyright lengths (handful of exceptions such as USA, Yemen, Ivory Coast). MarsToutatis ^talk 00:02, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Good, thanks for the replies. As I said previously, this interpretation sounds weird to me, but let us wait for others, and, if nobody else is interested, I am clearly in minority.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:32, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree with User:MarsToutatis. Wikipedia is not just about U.S. law or practices. Btw, the life + 70 years does apply in the U.S. but only to unpublished work. - kosboot (talk) 14:03, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

My point was not that we should present the US point of view (which is not 70+ as you correctly mention) but list when the works become free in their country of origin.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:21, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Then the appropriate article would be 2017 in public domain in country of origin . But based on the 6 previous articles in this series, an appropriately international point of view has been taken with exceptions noted. Although limiting an article to a particular country might be useful to those residing in the countries, I think the style of the current article is a much more elegant solution that enables one to see the worldwide practice of copyright and how it affects all of us around the world. (Btw, another fact: documents published by the U.S. Government are immediately put in the Public Domain in the U.S. But this P.D. status is not necessarily true for the same documents outside of the U.S. - in other words, depending on the country, such documents could be under copyright even though they are P.D. in the U.S.) - kosboot (talk) 14:56, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Not +50y

The table under "Life + 50y" includes a French and Swiss author who are now "Life + 70y" in their home country (they should be listed for their home country, not for the odd country still "Life + 50y"). As does Australia, see my separate para (the Australian article does not have suitable online refs) Hugo999 (talk) 05:23, 17 June 2017 (UTC)