Talk:2018 Women's Africa Cup of Nations qualification

Bracket

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@Chanheigeorge: I understand you added the large bracket to the article, and it was undone twice by anonymous editors (once with a seemingly valid reason), both times re-reverted by you. My questions to you are these: Why is that bracket necessary? What does it add to the article that isn't covered by the two sections immediately following? What precedent is there for including such a bracket? I just reviewed the articles covering the previous five qualification tournaments, and a bracket such as this one was not included in any of them.

I am also pinging Kante4, Stevie fae Scotland, Faycal.09, Anbans 585, and Koppapa as contributors to this article for their opinions on this section and to obtain a broader consensus for this article. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 07:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jkudlick: Same question back to you: What does the bracket in 2016–17 UEFA Champions League knockout phase or 2018 FIFA World Cup knockout stage add to that is not covered by the sections below? The bracket I added provide the same function as those brackets. Chanheigeorge (talk) 07:26, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Chanheigeorge: Deflection is not a good answer. I'll tell you why those brackets are different – they are each a single bracket for the final stage of a tournament, and there is good precedent for having those brackets in those types of articles. What you built here is seven small brackets in a qualification tournament article (not even the final tournament) for which there is no precedent for inclusion. Rather than deflecting my questions, please answer them. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 07:30, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jkudlick: Serves the same function as those bracket that a reader can see which teams may play in the latter stages without scrolling down the whole article. So by looking at the bracket, we see that Senegal will play Algeria in the first round, and if they win that, they will play either Libya or Ethiopia, and if they win that, they qualify. See a similar example in 2019 Africa U-20 Cup of Nations qualification#Bracket, and the CAF draw document [1], which is much clearer for this function than an article without a bracket. Chanheigeorge (talk) 07:37, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Chanheigeorge: That is a bracket which you added to that article and which is, again, without precedent. Please answer all of my initial questions with logical answers. These are not valid answers. If you can find precedent to include such a bracket in a tournament qualification article that was not created by you, then I will concede. Until then, it is still my opinion that it adds nothing to the article and is merely in the way of the details that most readers would like to see. Please also see the replies below. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 07:51, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't see the need for it in the Champions League because they don't actually use the bracket to decide the ties so you can't actually see what it's going to be like until the final. It's different for the World Cup and other sports like tennis where the bracket is used to determine the future ties in a competition. I think that it is more aesthetically pleasing than a list of results but when there are only two rounds it seems a bit much.

Also, just because someone hasn't created an article doesn't mean they can't add something to it and if the CAF draw document (which I have not been able to find with a quick Google search) is presented in a similar style to the Under 20 draw above, then there would be good reason to include the bracket as would look like it had been used to determine future ties. As I say, I haven't seen it so I don't know if that is the case but the other sources in the article would indicate that it wasn't. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Stevie fae Scotland: I agree with you about the Champions League/Europa League bracket. It is only known after all the draws are made, it is not like when teams are in the round of 16 they know who they will play in the next round(s). So these brackets actually are much less worthy for inclusion.

On the other hand, for this qualification tournament, the draws for all rounds have been made, so for example Senegal knows who they will potentially play to qualify for the final tournament. On their point of view, they don't care about who wins between Morocco and Ivory Coast since they will not meet any of them, and the presentation of the bracket reflects that. A similar example, if not in football, is 2018 Australian Open – Men's Singles Qualifying. It is also a qualifying tournament with many winners, and I don't see any difference between my brackets and those brackets. Chanheigeorge (talk) 09:08, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes I agree with you, I think maybe is not necessary to add this bracket. I don't see any bracket in most of articles about qualification competitions. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 07:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I would delete the bracket aswell. All covered below and just two rounds with several byes. Not needed. Kante4 (talk)

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