Talk:2019–20 snooker season/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: L235 (talk · contribs) 19:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Looking forward to picking this up in the next few days. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi L235, did you have any comments for me? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, very sorry about the delay, this is high on the list! Apologies, unexpected wikiwork has come up recently but this is a priority. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

No pressure on this L235, but did you have anything for me? Uni work is much more important, so don't worry if it's a drama. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:38, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for nominating this article to be a good article. Apologies for the lengthy delay. I have gone through the article and its sources a few times, and will be posting my notes soon. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 08:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Blockers

These are questions that I would like to be answered before promoting the article:

• "The World Snooker Tour in the 2019–20 season consisted of a field of 128 professional players." -- Why the source discrepancy between the two sources? Is it that the first one is comparatively outdated?
  • That's right. I've removed it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• In the calendar, Shoot Out - what is the source for this being 1-0?
  • So the ref comments that he won a one-frame match. I can find an additional source that states this if you'd like. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:51, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
    • That's OK! KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• "Austria, the first time in any snooker season" - source? Is this repeated in the body somewhere? I didn't spot it at a glance.
  • Apologies, looks like I either removed it or forgot to compile it. I've added it into the season summary. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• Is it generally accepted practice to rank players by number of wins, and then by number of runner-ups? If so, is this documented somewhere?
  • It's generally how these things are done in the real world, but I don't think we have a MOS. I could remove the ranking column, if that would make you happier? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
    • Alright, that should be OK. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• How did you choose what counts as "major invitational events"? Is there a generally accepted list somewhere? (potential NOR/SYNTH?)
  • It's just a list of the ones that the World Snooker Tour either run, or are associated with. This is a copy of the calendar that they provide. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
    • I'm still vaguely uncomfortable with this, as there are events on the cited calendar (such as the Q School) that aren't listed, which could be a NOR issue as I'm not sure how the inclusion criteria was decided. But it's not a big enough NOR problem to hold the article back, as the information that is present in the article is verifiable. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions

These suggestions are not blockers to promotion:

• I strongly suggest using the {{abbr}} template on the World ranking points table especially, and also the Calendar. (this caused me quite some confusion when first reading)
• "The 2019–20 snooker season was a series of professional snooker tournaments played between 9 May 2019 and 22 August 2020." - worth commenting on how this was longer than normal?
• "tour card" - consider defining this, perhaps parenthetically, first
• Why list just the two-season tour card players and not all the players?
• calendar table - link the redlinked Challenge Tour events to 2019–20 Challenge Tour, perhaps?
• "Judd Trump won six tournaments, the most in a single season" -- consider "the most of any individual player in a single season"
• consider moving footnote 44 to the end of the paragraph, because right now it's not clear that 45 is verifying the entire paragraph
• Suggest c/e on note 1 to "First round losers in the Shoot Out, Coral World Grand Prix, Coral Players Championship and Coral Tour Championship will receive their prize money in full; however, this money will not count towards the prize money rankings."
• Suggest c/e on note to to add a period at the end.
• If you have time, I'd prettify the references a bit -- "Archived copy" as the page title is a bit uneasy, for example.
• I spotted a non-MOS:DASH-compliant "4-0"; haven't had a chance to search for other occurrences but good to look out for. Added KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Notes

Other miscellaneous notes:

• Great job with this article! I can tell it was a lot of work to compile.
  • It's part of my eventual Good Topic. All of the world snooker tour articles for this season are now GA or above, so this is one of the last pieces! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• There's quite some OR in this article, and it's right on the edge of what I view as acceptable for a GA. The tables are almost entirely all compiled by hand, for instance, and it can be easy to hit SYNTH when doing so (e.g. how do you decide what is a significant enough invitational to go in the table?). This is probably typical for sports articles, but it's on the upper bound of what I would feel comfortable promoting.
  • I've replied to this above. I don't really like some of the tables, but that's what other editors believe are the best Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• I haven't yet gone through the "Season summary" section carefully yet, but I see that most of the concerns from there were resolved in GA1. But I'll be sure to do so before final passage.
• I wish we didn't have to rely so heavily on primary sources (worldsnooker.com itself) so often, but I understand the need to in sports-related articles. Added KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:37, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Congrats on your hard work here and for nominating this GAN. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 09:32, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Assessment

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I am passing this GA. Congratulations on your successful nomination! I would still encourage looking at the other suggestions; though not blockers to GA status, they may be helpful in improving the article. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:37, 8 September 2021 (UTC)