Talk:2019 Antalya Open (pool)/GA1

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Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 13:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this one shortly. Harrias ^talk 13:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Tournament format

• The body should standalone from the lead, so clarify in the opening sentence what sport we are talking about.
  • Well, nine-ball is the official name of the sport. I clarify slightly more in the lead calling it "nine-ball pool", but it's not strictly necessary. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    • In that case, should the article be moved to 2019 Antalya Open (nine-ball)? Harrias ^talk 08:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• "..Euro Tour tournament held in 2019. The event.." The repetition of "tour" with "tournament" jars a little here; maybe swap "tournament" and "event".
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• "The event was the first to be held Euro Tour event in Turkey.." The words are the wrong way around here.
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Prize fund

• Just to confirm; it had equal prize money for the men and women?
  • Indeed. That's my understanding. I'm yet to see a counter source, and lots only saying these figures. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Ack, something has come up. I will return to this later. Harrias ^talk 14:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Tournament summary

• "The double-elimination round featured nine rounds." It seems odd to refer to a single "round" containing multiple "rounds". Could we say "stage" in the first instance?
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• "..defeated Russian former winner Ruslan Chinachov.." to avoid giving Ruslan a false title, this needs to be "..the Russian former winner Ruslan..". This crops up a few times through the article.
  • I'll just remove Russian, as it is easier to read Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• Avoid try to avoid Noun plus -ing constructions such as "..with 2012 WPA World Nine-ball Championship champion Appleton winning.." and "..with the loser being.." for example.
  • Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• Per MOS:TIME, "4:30pm" needs a non-breaking space between the time and pm.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• "..in the last 32 9–2 before.." Having the digits "32" immediately before the score is a bit awkward, can it be rephrased to avoid it?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• "The final was held at 17:30 GMT.." Be consistent with time formats.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• "..all reached the last-16" No need for the hyphen here, and again a few sentences later.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Results

• "double elimination round" should be hyphenated.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• Per MOS:FLAG, flags should ideally not be used without the name of the country; I would suggest either removing them, or switching to the {{Flagathlete}} template.
  • Must have forgotten to do this previously. I've changed this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• The format of the women's table, with the last-16 games all blending together makes it very hard to read, and distinguish who played each game. Can it be split, like the men's one? Harrias ^talk 22:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Changed to the {{16TeamBracket}} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• Hi Harrias - thanks for the review - I've addressed the above points. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

References

• Ref #1 needs publication date and author details.
• I can't see anything to support "Both events were first played as a double-elimination tournament. It was held at the Limak Atlantis Resort in Antalya, Turkey." or "The men's event became a single-elimination bracket at the round-of-32, while the women's event remained a double-elimination tournament until the round-of-16." in the archived ref #2.
• Ref #3 appears to be the same as ref #2, and also doesn't seem to support anything.
• Ref #4 appears to be about a tournament played in "Leende - Netherlands", so also doesn't appear to support anything in this article.
• Ref #5 and #6 do not support the statement "The tournament was the first Euro Tour event held in Turkey since the 1999 Turkish Open". They tell us that there was a 1999 Turkish Open, but not that this tournament was the first in the country since then.
• What makes propool.info a reliable source?
• The archived ref #9 also appears to refer to a 2007 tournament in "Leende - Netherlands".
• billiardapps.com is not working: refs #10, #14, #15, #16, #18, #20, #23, #24, #25, #26.
• Ref #11 does not support "The double-elimination stage featured nine rounds.".
• Ref #12 also does not appear to support what it claims to.

I will stop there; this article needs a thorough going over to make sure that all the content is properly referenced. So far, of the twelve references I have been through, only a couple actually support the information they claim to. Had I looked at the references first, I would almost certainly have quick-failed this article. Harrias ^talk 08:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, thank you very much for the in-depth review. Usually the above would be quite easy to fix, but the Euro Tour website has recently been updated, and all of the secondary promotion, match results have been removed. It's not a particularly well archived cite, so it'll not be something I can fix straight away. I've gotten in contact with the EPBF regarding archiving the site (or letting the new site also contain the old one) but it's probably better to let this one fail whilst I work on the references. Thanks again. I'll withdraw. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Ack, that's a shame. If you manage to get it sorted and renominate, feel free to ping me, and I'll jump straight back in. The article itself is in good shape, so with the right references, it'll be a breeze. Harrias ^talk 19:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)