Talk:2019 Champion of Champions

Qualification Table

I just made an incorrect change to the table, which was undone before I could undo it myself, which is great! Kudos :) However, according to the list he qualified due to winning the 2019 China Open on the 7th of April, one of the 16 first tournaments. Even though the Welsh Open was played earlier, it wasn't taken into in account until after those 16 tournaments were played (and wasnt relevant, because Neil had already qualified because he won the China Open). The Shading in the qualifying table matches this interpretation (the China Open is highlighted, not the Welsh Open). This issue might affect other players as well. 2A02:A210:A1C2:9380:A0BC:3CCD:9EA2:413E (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

The table isn't great - but it isn't wrong. The events are in the order of relevance as released by World Snooker. If someone wins more than one of the events in the top 16, the next one in the list would take it's place, etc. Personally, I don't really like the "Qualified date" parameter at all, as it's unsourced cruft. I'd like to have a table for all of the events that would have been legible, but I think we went through all of them and started adding extra ones afterwards. I did put something at WT:SNOOKER about this table prior. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and the link. I'll give it some thought and chime in if I feel I have something useful to add. Should probably register first as well. Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! 2A02:A210:A1C2:9380:24EB:2216:F905:69BC (talk) 21:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Feel free to drop me a message when you sign up if you have any questions. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I think the qualification table used on the 2019 Grand Slam of Darts page looks better. Perhaps we should use something similar to that next year? Edin75 (talk) 09:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 21:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Will review this article. MWright96 (talk) 21:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• "The 2019 Champion of Champions (also known as the 2019 ManbetX Champion of Champions for sponsorship reasons) was a professional snooker tournament. The event took place from 4 to 10 November 2019 at the Ricoh Arena in Coventry, England." - how about merging the two sentences together with some minor rewording?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "(also known as the 2019 ManbetX Champion of Champions for sponsorship reasons)" - ManBetX
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "having defeated Kyren Wilson 10–9 in the final of the previous year's event." - how about a plain 2018 event?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "Robertson defeated Trump 10–9, despite requiring" - the word despite is considered editoralising per WP:EDITORIALIZING
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Tournament format

• "The 2019 Champion of Champions featured 16 winners of events from the previous twelve months on the World Snooker Tour." - change the text in bold to 12 to for consistency per MOS:NUMERAL
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• How about mention that ITV4 broadcast the tournament? It will need to be sourced by a reliable citation such as References 1 or 2.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "Qualifying players were split into four groups of four players. Each group played on a different day, with the semi-finals and final played on 9 and 10 November. Matches were of differing lengths throughout the competition, with the opening round being a best-of-7 frames, group finals and semi-finals best-of-11-frames, and the two-session final played as best-of-19-frames." - none of this is supported by the Upcoming Matches (Champion of Champions 2019) reference. That source will need to be replaced by the ManBetX Champion of Champions (2019) - snooker.org citation
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "The breakdown of prize money for 2019 was:[7][6]" - the refs should be in numerical order
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Prize fund

• "The event featured a prize fund of £440,000, an increase of £70,000 over the 2018 event." - not mentioned in any of the source. Will need additional verification
  • Added a cite for the 2018 prize money. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:22, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Qualification

• "The winners of the first sixteen tournaments on the list were guaranteed a place in the championship." - should the text in bold be changed to 16 for consistency?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "if there were players who met multiple qualification criteria." - in the event
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Group stages

• All of the prior tournament victories that are attached to the players names should be cited with the "ManBetX Champion of Champions (2019) - snooker.org" and the "Qualified Players" sources
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "In the other group game, 2019 China Championship winner Shaun Murphy played Reanne Evans, who had won the 2019 World Women's Snooker Championship." - more concise for the text in bold Reanne Evans, the 2019 World Women's Snooker Champion
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "Evans took the next three frames, however, and forced" - more concise and neutral Evans took the next three frames to force
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "Murphy also commented later that the audience was rooting for Evans" - more formal were supporting
• "and two 90+ breaks." - better; and two breaks of over 90.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• There's no mention of Un-Nooh winning the deciding frame winning the deciding frame in his match against Kyren Wilson
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "The group final was a rematch of the 2019 World Open final, held the week before," - not mentioned in the Eurosport source attached to it. Another source is needed to verify it
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "The final group featured world number three Ronnie O'Sullivan play 2019 World Seniors Championship winner Jimmy White." - saw
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "play 2019 World Seniors Championship winner Jimmy White. White won the first three frames" - Try not to have the last word of a sentence start the next one like this
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "The group final featured O'Sullivan defeat Higgins" - defeating
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Knockout stages

• "The pair had met in two finals of the 2019 Coral Cup series events—the Tour Championship and Players Championship—with O'Sullivan winning on both occasions." - this is not mentioned in the BBC Sport reference attached to it. Another source is required to verify this information
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "The second semi-final was played on the 9 November " - the word "the" is not needed per MOS:DATES
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "Allen won the next four frames including the event's highest break of 140" - the mention of the 140 break is not mentioned by BBC Sport and will need another reference to verify it
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "Robertson won the next two frames with breaks of 96 and 111, however, to lead 5–4 between sessions." - better and more concise Breaks of 96 and 111 gave Robertson the next two frames and lead 5–4 between sessions.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "The following frame, Trump required foul shots to win the frame," - not mentioned by the BBC Sport source but Eurosport does
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• "In the deciding frame, Robertson made a break of 137 to win the match." - the snooker.org citation of the 2015 tournament attached to this sentence does not mention the 137 break to win the match though both BBC Sport and Eurosport do
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Main draw

• How about mention that the players who are highlighted in bold denote the match winners?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

References

• References 6, 8 and 9 should have their archive links updated to explicitly mention the 2019 tournament
• Reference 8 has been made consistent with the fact it has Champion of Champions Snooker in the publisher and not the work as the others do
• References 9, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 24 and 26 should have the date the sources were published included
• References 9, 21, 23 and 26 are missing the author of the respective works
  • Pretty sure I've gone through all these now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Overall there are some issues concerning the grammar to the prose and its neutrality. There is also the problem concerning the verifiability of some of the content which does not have a reliable source attached to it. Since many of these are likely to be quick fixes, I will put the review on hold until all of the fixes have been addressed accordingly. MWright96 (talk) 12:21, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks MWright96, great review as always. I think I got it all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: The recently added Eurosport source to support the claim of O'Sullivan and Robertson's meetings in the finals of the Tour Championship and Players Championship is missing the author who wrote the story. MWright96 (talk) 15:09, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Whoops, missed that one. Added the author. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Now promoting to GA class. Note that a large part of duplicate information accidentally inserted into the article has been removed by myself. MWright96 (talk) 16:03, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.