Talk:2019 International Championship

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
No suitable hook could be proposed, nominator has decided to withdraw.

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• ... that at the 2019 International Championship snooker event, Judd Trump regained the world number one position, for the first time in six years? Source: http://www.worldsnooker.com/sublime-trump-claims-international-title/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Qidong

Created by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 22:05, 11 August 2019 (UTC).

• Could a better hook be proposed here? Honestly the hook doesn't really appeal to non-snooker fans, or to people who don't know who Judd Trump is. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• How about:

• ALT1: ... at the 2019 International Championship snooker tournament, champion Judd Trump made 12 century breaks, three times as many as any other player?"Centuries". World Snooker. 11 August 2019. Archived from the original on 11 August 2019. Retrieved 11 August 2019. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

It sounds better, but it still feels a bit too niche considering its dependence on the term "century break", which probably isn't familiar to the average reader. Reading through the article again, I found a quote saying The win was the first time a reigning world champion won the first championship that they had competed in after the event. Would a hook based on that have broader appeal? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure, but it's only since 2008 (when Ronnie O'Sullivan did exactly the same thing):

ALT2: ...World Snooker Champion Judd Trump won the 2019 International Championship, the next event that they had competed in, the first time a world champion had done so since 2008? http://www.livesnooker.com/category/major-ranking-events/trump-storms-to-international-championship-glory-20190811/

Feels pretty longwinded, but not sure how to shorten. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:16, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

It has potential, but yeah I think there's a better way to word this. @Toreightyone and SounderBruce: Any ideas on how to reword ALT2? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I'll take a shot at it: ... that Judd Trump became the first world snooker champion to win back-to-back events since 2008 by winning the International Championship?

Alternatively: ... that by winning the World Snooker Championship and International Championship, Judd Trump became the first world champion to win back-to-back events since 2008? SounderBruce 06:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I suppose both work, the issue here is that there's no mention of 2019 in either suggestion. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:23, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

How about this: ... that in 2019, Judd Trump became the first to win both the World Snooker Championship and the International Championship, back-to-back, since 2008? --Toreightyone (talk) 11:50, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Sounder bruces was fine, the last one isn't accurate, and not the point being made. The international championship wasn't the first event of the season (The 2019 Riga Masters was, but Trump didn't play), and there was no international championship in 2008. O'Sullivan won the 2008 Northern Ireland Trophy, which was the first time he had played since winning the world title. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Seems our best option now would be to go with Bruce's suggestion (though I'd suggest mentioning 2019 somewhere in the hooks). Once Lee provides a QPQ I will start doing the full review. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:56, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 QPQ done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• While I like SounderBruce's suggestion the best, the article doesn't seem to mention the "first back-to-back winner since 2008" thing, and as far as I can tell, isn't in the Livesnooker source either. Was the fact he suggested accurate, or not? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

The ALT2 I proposed is right, as it wasn't back-to-back events, but was the next one they competed in. From the source: The 29-year-old becomes the first player to win their first tournament as World Champion since Ronnie O'Sullivan back in 2008. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:18, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Noted, though that still doesn't resolve the wording clarity issue. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Lee Vilenski: Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:21, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • How about - :ALT3: ...After winning the 2019 World Snooker Championship, Judd Trump won the next event they competed in, the 2019 International Championship the first time a world champion had done so since 2008? http://www.livesnooker.com/category/major-ranking-events/trump-storms-to-international-championship-glory-20190811/
  • Or, :ALT3a: ... Judd Trump was first player to win their first tournament as World Champion since 2008 by winning the 2019 International Championship? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: ALT3a reads better, but the more this is being discussed, the more I wonder if a different hook fact could be suggested, as I'm not sure if it's possible to write a hook based on this that has snappier wording. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Narutolovehinata5, I think it'll probably have to be archived. I've searched for a lot, and it just doesn't seem like there is much more to make a hook from. Thanks for your dilligence in looking at this, but I'll close this one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2019 International Championship (snooker)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 09:32, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• "ranking snooker" is a sea of blue.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• Infobox header should be 2019 International Championship.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "the television stages" normally referred to as the "televised" stages rather than television.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Tom Ford made the 152nd official maximum break," context for this? And where is it referenced?

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "The event was the second ranking event" event event.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Sheffield, England featuring" comma after England.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Matches were played as best of 11 frames matches until the semi-finals and finals. The semi-finals were played as best of 17 frames, whilst the final was played as a best of 19 frames match.[2]" usual comment relating to hyphenation and merge these sentences to avoid the repetition.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• " previous years event," apostrophe.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• Does the source say it was more than the previous year?

Nope, added a cite to show last years money. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "last 64" or "round one" or "first round"?

These should be the same now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Two top 16 ranked players " more hyphenation required!

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "whilst" really this is just "and" in this scenario.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• And don't reverse that scoreline!

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "in the previous season " unnecessary as you've already given the explicit year of the event.

 Not done - The point being made that during the previous season, Murphy had reached just one final. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Well it does look odd to me now, you refer to 2018 and your refer to last season in the same sentence. Perhaps pipe the year out of the event and keep "in the previous season". The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that makes sense. I've piped it out. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Murphy defeated Dott 6–4 to draw Allen in the semi-final." unref.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Three time world ..." -> Three-time.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "played just English players " I'm not sure this raises to the level of note really, probably half the last 64 were English. The Chinese link was okay as it had the consequence of turning off the Chinese audience, but this feels like trivia.

I agree  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "defeating Shaun Murphy in the final 10–3." -> "defeating Shaun Murphy 10–3 in the final."

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• ", previously held by Ronnie O'Sullivan, having last held the rank in 2013.[21] " too many run-on and "held".

condensed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Selby started off the match quickest, winning three of the first fou..." I think this speaks for itself, so "Selby won three of the first four frames..." would suffice.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Post match" why not just "After the match..."?

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "his form and scoring within" scoring is part of his form...

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "a best of 19 frames match " hyphens.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "including a century break in frame three" -> "making a century break in frame three"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• " that they had competed in after the event," -> "in which they had competed after..."

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "disapointed" typo.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• " didn't really " avoid contractions.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• Where is final referee referenced?

cited in prose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• Formatting of qualifying section is really odd for me, a huge gap between the first column of names and the scoreline...

Sorry, I don't see this on my screen, so I have no idea what the error is. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

How odd. I see it Chrome and Safari. It's not evenly balanced... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:03, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "A total of 63 century breaks were made during the tournament" -> during the televised stages of the tournament.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• Neil Robertson doesn't need to be disambiguated...

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• Once again, take the website names out of the ref titles.

 DoneBest Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

First pass complete. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:47, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Covered pretty much all of the above TRM Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I'm done here and promoting. It's a shame I'm suffering from those off-balance issues, but it's purely aesthetic so shouldn't stand in the way of promotion. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:15, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I did some work, I think it's probably something to do with the width values for the tables, but without being able to see the issue, I can't go about fixing it. I may spend some time changing these to a different format. Thank you for your great review once again. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)