Talk:2019 North Korean parliamentary election

Requested move 19 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 19:33, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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2019 North Korean parliamentary election → ? – not a real election as there is no real vote. SCAH (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Details about the freeness and fairness of elections are best dealt with prose in the article, not by changing the title. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per Finnusertop. You do realise there is a whole series of articles about elections in North Korea? A sham election is still an election, the freeness of these votes should have no bearing on the article title. PC78 (talk) 16:03, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with Finnusertop and PC78. Articles like 2018 Cambodian general election hold their titles and so should this one. --Yujeo (talk) 15:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support; change to 2019 North Korean general election Although I disagree with the sentiment to change the title, as Finnusertop has stated why it makes no sense, I do feel that also it makes little sense to use the term "parliamentary" due to the fact that the term parliament is not used by the state,

Oppose. JDuggan101 ^{talk. | Cont.} 20:35, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Current title is correct and matches the rest of the series. "General election" in place of "parliamentary election" is generally reserved for countries that are constitutional monarchies (with a small number of exceptions like Ireland). Number 57 20:04, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
• Strongly Oppose This is a real election, just a single-party one. Such elections were quite common in some earlier decades (like the 1970s and the 1980s). It seems ludicrous to me that someone try to deny the status of election in such a case, without even an idea about the new, proposed name of the article. --Sundostund (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose As mentioned above the members are elected. Elections do not necessarily mean democracy. Playlet (talk) 23:46, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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Points of view

Now that the dust has been settled, what are these "additional viewpoints" you'd like to see in the article, Coffeeandcrumbs? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:24, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

The lede and the body are written from two entirely different view points. While the lede correctly describes the "elections" as simply for show, the rest of the article completely ignores that fact. The "additional viewpoints" tag is meant for the rest of the article below the lede. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 06:32, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: I've reorganized it into a section. Are you happy with it now? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:02, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. That is much better. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:09, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move of all election articles on 13 January 2021

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 22:34, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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2019 North Korean parliamentary election → Election of Deputies to the 14th Supreme People's Assembly

Reasons:

1. It's the official term of their elections—they don't claim their system to be parliamentary.
2. The North Korean system is not a parliamentary system—everybody knows this.
3. This is the common name of elections in communist countries; Vietnam and Laos talk about "Elections to the [number] National Assembly]" and the Soviets talked about "Election of Deputies to the [number] Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union".
4. The lead—before I even edited the article—starts with "election of deputies to the 14th Supreme People's Assembly".
5. They are indeed electing the 14th Supreme People's Assembly.
6. They are indeed electing deputies—either for or against nominated deputies proposed by election committees composed of central party leaders.
7. We need to denote the difference between elections in liberal and democratic countries and elections in communist countries. North Korea is a tyranny. But even more important; not even they claim their election to be parliamentary.
8. The Supreme People's Assembly is not a parliament just like the United States Congress is not a parliament.
9. The naming difference could also help to highlight the differences between liberal democratic systems and communist systems.

For move! --Ruling party (talk) 20:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Current title is correct per WP:NC-GAL, as unanimously agreed by respondents to the last RM in 2019. Much of the above is irrelevant (countries with presidential systems still have parliaments like the Parliament of Ghana), particularly the claimed need to separate out elections in communist countries (why not non-communist dictatorships?), but if 'parliamentary' is really problematic, 'legislative' can be used instead per 2017 French legislative election etc. Number 57 20:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for the same reason.--Migs005 (talk) 08:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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