Talk:2019 T20 Kwacha Cup

Scores

@Bs1jac: where are you getting the scores from? Human (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

https://www.pitchvision.com/#/pv-matches Although it is far from accurate, and somewhat confusing. It does keep correcting itself though. A few players don't match up with anyone in the squad, but most are close enough. One guy score 13 in 1 ball (possible if this was a 6 off a no ball a couple of time I suppose), a bowler got 5 wickets in 5 balls and bowled too many overs, which seems odd, etc. The women's is way behind and there appears to be t20 women's card at the same time (Malawi 1 and Malawi 2). Hence I have gone just with the overall score for now with the rest commented out. PS: Note that all players in the squad lists (apart from 1 or 2) are sourced from the Facebook announcement and matched to players existing within Cricinfo (e.g. Malawi players by alphabet); so those are the names we should use unless anything is different once scorecards appear in CI. Bs1jac (talk) 10:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: I can't believe there were 4 caught and bowled in a row at the end of the men's first innings... Bs1jac (talk) 10:29, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Scorecards for all matches were updating nicely but then suddenly stopped, with none completed and clear errors in some of them. Shame - I thought it was going to be a well-covered series. Bs1jac (talk) 16:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Yeah, something is wrong with the scores. Scoring 169 in 11 overs is far fetched. They also lost all wickets which means at least 10 balls were dots, not including run outs. This also means none of the bowlers conceded a dot ball which also seems impossible. Human (talk) 19:37, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

One of the bowler also seems to break Malinga's record of 4 off 4 and all the wickets except one are caught and bowled. And five batsman scored golden ducks. Human (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: The batting is certainly not impossible (15/16 per over) at this level if a batsmen completely outclasses the bowling. Yep, I think the sudden rush of caught and bowled first ball for 4 or 5 batsmen is the most unlikely... either way, I'm leaving it until we get more details. Disappointed they haven't even announced the winners. Bs1jac (talk) 19:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: And also there were supposed to be three tour matches according to that website. Human (talk) 19:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Haven't seen those anywhere. There are none in the tour itenary (and not really interested in them at this level even if there were tbh...) Bs1jac (talk) 20:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Looks like anothe rof those series where the wait for proper scorecards is long.... Atleast the Greece Series was finally completed (international section anyways) Ankurc.17 (talk) 07:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Latest

As of today, all scores (team totals and overs) for men's matches and results (winner/loser) for women's matches are according to personal communication from Malawi cricket. Batters/bowlers will need to be added/checked later, as will debuts. They were hopeful that scorecards will be on cricinfo fairly soon. Bs1jac (talk) 20:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Men's results are now confirmed on the ICC site. Bs1jac (talk) 19:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Yeah the scores are up in ICC's website so it won't take long for CI to get them. Human (talk) 14:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Any clue on scorecards? Can't seem to finmd them on ICC website as well. Ankurc.17 (talk) 11:10, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ankurc.17: Hi there. I have literally just now heard from an independent statistician that he has received the cards for the men's matches and is going to send them over to me. Apparently they have not been sent to the ICC yet (only the basic scores have). It also seems that the scores are very slightly different to what currently shows on the ICC site, but I won't change here anything until I have seen the full cards, and even then possibly not until they are on Cricinfo if what I receive is not clear. Women's cards should be available ('offline' at least) soon. Bs1jac (talk) 11:25, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Hats off to you... Any plans of opening any parallel CI for associates?? Ankurc.17 (talk) 12:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ankurc.17: We have now received the women's cards from a source and have forwarded on to Cricinfom along with revised men's cards with the correct players listed. I have updated the page accordingly, but will still need to be checked once in CI. Bs1jac (talk) 12:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Men's players - differences between Cricinfo and cards from organizers

Hi all. I have updated the men's details based on really nicely presented Excel sheets from the organizers that we have sourced. Basically Pitch Vision details are garbage, as we suspected! Ahead of the cards appearing in Cricinfo, I wanted to clarify a few players whose names are consistently different in the scorecards provided by the organizer compared to existing player profiles in Cricinfo. Of course Cricinfo might create duplicate profiles, but who knows. In match 1, Bernardo Sambo is listed as DNB at No. 10, while Zefanias Matsinhe is missed off the batting card despite bowling. As Sambo didn't bowl or catch, he is likely a mistake on that XI so have omitted for now. We can check all these according to CI later.

Malawi

1) Zaid Nurji is not yet in CI but was listed as such in all Excel sheets (in the squad announcement from Malawi he was listed as Mohammed Nurji); I have used what is in the sheet.

2) Irfan Patel is on match 1 Excel sheet, but is listed as Mahammed Irfan Ali Patel (Mahammed Patel) in CI so I have used that.

Mozambique

1) Captain in Cricinfo and the squad announcement is Syed Shah, but in the Excel sheet he is Kaleem Shah. I have used what is in CI. CI have now removed the Syed Shah profile and replaced with Kaleem Shah (full name: Syed Kaleem Raza Shah)

2) Sanatana Dima in CI is likely a mispelling as the squad and Excel sheets say Santana Dima. I have stuck with CI for now even though it is likely a mistake. I asked Cricinfo to correct this spelling and they have done so.

3) Imran Ismail in CI (full name Imran Ismail Mohammad Ikheriya), but Imran Ikheriya on the Excel sheets; sticking with CI short form for now.

4) Damiao Couana (full name Francis Damiao Couana) in Cricinfo is regularly referred to in the Excel cards as Francisco Couana which is likely correct but I have stuck with the CI profile name. Bs1jac (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

There are actually a few ocassions on the cards from Malawi where a player has bowled but is not one of the XI in the batting list, so a few of the debuts cannot be confirmed right now. I have sent these cards to someone at Cricinfo. Bs1jac (talk) 14:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Cricinfo were very grateful for the scorecards. They said they had already received a version with lots of errors, and hope that the ones I have forwarded, in combination with what they already have, will clear most things up. EDIT: Revised cards were sent to CI on 14/11.

Great job done @Bs1jac:. Any clue when the scorecards would be updated on CI?

I think they have everything they need now so if they don't find any big problems, I hope in the next couple of days. Bs1jac (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Not sure why the delay on CI... If its ok with you can you share the document you received? I can share my email id. Ankurc.17 (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I was meaning to look back at this and see what the progress was with the scorecards. Excellent work as always Bs1jac. I'm not going to get on my soapbox (again), but I find it baffling that there's nothing official on the ICC site confirming the full scorecards and players! Well, at least CI is giving live updates on the T10 matches... *tumbleweed* Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac, Lugnuts, and Ankurc.17: Don't know what's taking CI so long if they got the spreadsheet. I also wonder how ICC got the scores before CI; they are usually lazy. And yes the T10 league actually got better coverage than some associate serieses unfortunately because of the so called 'big names' involved. Human (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Frustrating, but to be fair, the guy I am communicating with at CI indicated that they have also got earlier versions of the cards with errors and the headline scores on the ICC site were slightly wrong when I last looked (compared to the spreadsheets anyway), so I guess they are doing quite a bit of checking. I think someone sent ICC just the basic scores not the cards, and not even accurate. Wouldn't be surprised if they end up putting up details that are different to the complete scores that I have seen (despite those sheets having full ball by ball summaries). Also they have been really good at correcting player spellings and merging duplicate profiles that I have raised for this and previous series in the last few days, so some credit to CI. Bs1jac (talk) 23:27, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I seriously doubt if they are ever gonna update the scroes... Just like the Pacific Games where fall of wickets for 3 of the matches have not yet been updated.. Ankurc.17 (talk) 03:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

I have emailed my contact at CI for an update. Bs1jac (talk) 10:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Looks like it came through. Scorecards are now available. Ankurc.17 (talk) 02:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah great, only men's so far though. Almost identical to what I had seen just a couple of minor changes. Bs1jac (talk) 05:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)