Talk:2019 Whakaari / White Island eruption

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Casualties?

The word "casualties" is used in the infobox to describe confirmed fatalities but also used later in the article to describe injured victims. I believe the word should be removed from the article entirely and replaced with something more clear. Treesniper (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

It is no longer in the infobox. But in some cases it is correct to use the ambiguous term. For instance, the articles reads now: "Three commercial helicopter pilots conducted rescue missions to the island in their helicopters, bringing back five, five, and two casualties, respectively.". We do not know if casualties brought back in the helicopters were dead on arrival or succumbed to their injuries later. --Vici Vidi (talk) 08:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Aftermath

In the "Aftermath" section, it states that there have been three subsequent eruptions since the main one at 14:11 on 9 December. However, Geonet Update #6 says that there have been no subsequent eruptions since the main 14:11 one. I think it would be more accurate to use the Geonet source and alter the article accordingly. Ddaveonz (talk) 00:32, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I did see media reports of subsequent eruptions to the main eruption, but yes, the info in the Geonet link contradicts this. Also, https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/white-island makes no mention of subsequent eruptions either. The source citation goes on for pages and pages and pages, not easy to verify. I agree, I think mention of subsequent eruptions should be removed.--Stevebow (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

16 fatalities

Is there a reliable source that states that 16 people are dead? Eight plus the six bodies recovered just now makes 14; as far as I can make out, the Police haven't talked about the two others who are missing and are presumed dead. The reason that I'm asking is that it stated on the WP homepage that there are "at least 8 fatalities"; I've updated that to 14. I'm happy to update that further but it needs a couple of solid sources first. Schwede66 00:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen a source which says 16 people are dead, but for example, Radio New Zealand says in the shaded box "What's happened so far:" ... "The official death toll is eight, and eight other people are on the island and presumed dead.", and the update above says "Six bodies have been recovered" and "Police ... seek to recover the bodies of the final two victims". I'm happy to leave the main page at 14 at the moment, but don't feel it necessary to change the figure of 16 which appears in this article's infobox. The final figure will probably be higher, as so many people are still in critical condition.-gadfium 03:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

It's not clear there are 16. Hayden Marshall-Inman who was the first confirmed death was also one of the bodies that was on the island. It may not be a simple 8 + 8 = 16 situation.ShakyIsles (talk) 06:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

8 dead + 6 Australians recovered on 13/12/19 = 14.

2 missing New Zealanders are still on the island (Hayden & Tipene). The helicopter pilot already confirmed that Hayden was dead near a stream on the island. The total fatalities is definitely 15 at this point. There is no evidence that Tipene survived but his body has not yet been found today. --BrianJ34 (talk) 07:54, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

New Zealand Police can be cited for confirmation of identities and nationalities of the deceased; beginning on 14 December they have identified 12 casualties [1] [2] [3] [4]: 9 Australians, 2 US citizens (permanent residents in Australia), and 1 New Zealander (Tipene Maangi). Six more people are reported as missing presumed deceased by other sources: 3 Australians, 1 US citizen, 1 New Zealander (Hayden Inman), and 1 Malaysian. 61.68.219.207 (talk) 00:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Just adding a note that theres being a futher death in the Whakaari/White Island eurption, bringing the official death toll to 17 with 2 bodies missing, likely washed out to sea. Foxterria (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Name

Should we change the title to just 2019 White Island eruption? Several news sources just refer to the island as White Island, and the article for the island mentions that it is known as just 'White Island'. "Whakaari/White Island" just seems a bit long winded. Sir Magnus (talk) 12:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

There are about 20 different locations called White Island. Removing the Maori (New Zealand) component of the article name will add to reader uncertainty. WWGB (talk) 12:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing that up! Sir Magnus (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Casualty section and it's graphic

Does someone mind fixing it?

The last sentence "A day later, an Australian citizen who was repatriated died in hospital, bringing the death toll to eighteen, including two victims whose bodies had not been recovered.[34]" is wrong. Even the reference for it says 16 and not 18.

The graphic "missing" column shows 4 Australians and 2 Germans, which apparently totals 2. That and the actual number is 2 and they are both Kiwis (The quides)

Thanks! --TheMightyAllBlacks (talk) 01:09, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done, but the missing are both Australian. WWGB (talk) 03:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!. Ahh. It was reported they were the two kiwi guides at one stage. All a bit fluid at the time probably --TheMightyAllBlacks (talk) 07:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

evacuated numbers do not add up?

47 people were on the island. On the day of the eruption: 23 were evacuated by boat, 12 by helicopter, and 8 were left on the island / unaccounted for. That only adds up to 23+12+8=43. How were the other 4 evacuated? I suspect in fact 27 people were evacuated by boat, but I cannot find a source for this. Adpete (talk) 03:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Protection level

@NJA: given that the dispute was between IP editors I wonder why you have chosen full protection? Wouldn’t semi-protection be the appropriate level? Schwede66 14:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, the policy for content disputes is full protection, regardless of the type of accounts. In this case there was more than a couple involved parties and at least one IP is a frequent editor. The most clear rationale for full protection here is to give all users a level confidence that there’s a level playing field while engaging in dispute resolution. Also to prevent IPs involved in the dispute or their mates logging into registered accounts to advance the cause, etc N.J.A. | talk 14:45, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The two missing were named officially today

A kiwi tour guide 40-year-old Hayden Marshall-Inman of Whakatane, and 17-year-old Winona Langford of Australia.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/12/white-island-eruption-police-identify-three-more-victims.html --TheMightyAllBlacks (talk) 05:06, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 18 December 2019

In the Casualties>Fatalities subsection, the following sentence has a typo: "On 15 December it was announced that the death toll had risen to eightteen." 'Eightteen' should be spelled 'eighteen'. Prism55 (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

And it’s wrong. The official death toll is 16 with a further 2 missing. WWGB (talk) 12:21, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done this page is no longer protected, please discuss and come to a consensus on the content then you may edit it directly. — xaosflux ^Talk 05:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

list of deaths

I think there is enough info published for a table with names/nationality of all the deaths (including subsequent deaths) to be included in the article. Hugo999 (talk) 06:02, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

The inclusion of victim names is handled on a case-by-case basis, and should reflect the consensus of a talk page discussion. This was affirmed at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 138#WP:NOTMEMORIAL and victim lists in tragedy articles. WWGB (talk) 06:31, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

There's an upcoming Netflix documentary about this...

The upcoming documentary, The Volcano: Rescue from Whakaari, covered about this disaster: https://www.netflix.com/title/81410405 Ndplinhdam (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2022 (UTC) Should we mention this in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndplinhdam (talk • contribs) 11:45, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Island Monitoring Equipment

Were there any monitoring equipment on that Island? Like, cosmic and vibration monitors, gas monitors, anything that could have been used to monitor daily activity on the Island? 2601:240:4700:6250:C9E8:46DC:8DA6:54FB (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

See Whakaari / White Island#Geological history, third paragraph.-gadfium 01:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)