Talk:2020–21 United States Senate special election in Georgia

Republicans who have applied for the seat online

Per AJC, the following (notable) Republicans have submitted an application to be named for the seat:

• David Belle Isle, former mayor of Alpharetta
• Paul Broun, former U.S. Representative
• Doug Collins, U.S. Representative
• Tim Echols, Public Service Commissioner
• Melvin Everson, former state representative
• Tyler Harper, state senator
• Judson Hill, former state senator
• Tom Price, former HHS Secretary and U.S. Representative
• Martha Zoller, notable radio talk show host

I think there should be a subsection within Republicans for those who have applied online. There is a meaningful distinction between the potential candidates about whom the media has speculated and the candidates who have taken the step to submit an application. Thoughts? Jacoby531 (talk) 22:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

What is the logic of including the current five candidates in the infobox?--Mpen320 (talk) 19:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

It makes enough sense to me, they're the 5 candidates polling above 5%. What confused me was the order: it was Loeffler/Collins/Lieberman/Warnock/Tarver, which makes no sense whatsoever. I changed it to alphabetical. Nevermore27 (talk) 03:36, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Nominees

The current version of the article refers to "nominees" of the Libertarian and Green parties, but even though these individuals are their parties' only candidates they should not be called that. Georgia's special election laws place all candidates, with or without a party, on the same ballot without any notion of party nomination. Airbornemihir (talk) 00:22, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Reflected in the article. Airbornemihir (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Headers

I have restored the original version of this article's formatting: [1]. Since there are not separate party primaries, the candidates should be in a single top-level section. This is consistent with 2020 Georgia's 5th congressional district special election, 2017 Georgia's 6th congressional district special election, 2010 Georgia's 9th congressional district special election, and 2007 Georgia's 10th congressional district special election, as well as articles for Washington and California (all elections) and Hawaii (special elections) which have all candidates running in a single initial election. There is no consensus to use the other format. Reywas92^Talk 05:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

You are completely burying candidates. I insist that you try your method on mobile and see how unreadable the experience is. Tedm03 (talk) 05:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Matt Lieberman endorsements

Is there a better source on Matt Lieberman's endorsements? Almost all of them are supported by a single news article about a fundraising event held in CT last November, prior to any other candidates entering the race or even the appointment of Kelly Loeffler. The article doesn't once use the word "endorse" or even imply that the politicians had endorsed his candidacy. The article only substantiates that these individuals were present at a fundraising event, not that they endorsed the candidate at the event or even that they donated to attend (vs being comped, as one might expect might occur for e.g. the state party chairwoman at the time). This may have made sense early in the campaign, when the candidate had all party support (given he was the sole candidate), but at this point, that's fairly spurious evidence in the face of nearly the entire party endorsing Pastor Warnock. Jbbdude (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 5 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved; the practice for multi-stage elections that overlap a new year is X–X+1 Y election, as has been shown through examples on this page by Number 57. The examples by SecretName101 show this practice applies to US elections. Sceptre (talk) 03:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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• 2020 United States Senate special election in Georgia → 2020–21 United States Senate special election in Georgia
• 2020 United States Senate election in Georgia → 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia

– These senate elections consist of one stage in 2020 and one stage in 2021 (runoff election), so it makes sense for the article title to reflect this (c.f. 1788–89 United States presidential election) Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 23:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

• Move to 2020 and 2021 United States Senate election in Georgia: I think the 1788–89 United States presidential election was actually just a single voting period that spanned across two years. In this case it's two separate rounds of voting, which is analogous to 1974 and 1975 United States Senate elections in New Hampshire.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 06:08, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. ― Tartan357 ^(Talk) 06:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support In favour Spekkios (talk) 08:56, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Bait30's suggestion is not the standard naming method for elections that are held over a year boundary. Number 57 11:21, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
• We should wait for the results of 1st round. If a second round is confirmed then move. -- Manasbose ^{(talk | contribs)} 20:08, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: The special election is definitely going to a runoff. The regular election may or may not, but is leaning that way too. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Comment: Reliable sources such as the New York Times state that both senate races will have a runoff election. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 01:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's still the 2020 election cycle. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. As CrazyC83 points out, it's still the 2020 election cycle, even if it drags on into early January. Also it's less confusing if all the state elections have names of the same pattern. -- Netwalker3 (talk) 08:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Regarding the comments above about election cycles, if a second round/runoff over a year boundary from the first, standard practice is to use "2020–21..." etc in the title. See, for example, 1992–93 Montenegrin general election‎, 1997–98 Lithuanian presidential election‎, 1999–2000 Guinea-Bissau general election‎, 2000–01 Ivorian parliamentary election‎, 2009–10 Croatian presidential election, 2014–15 Croatian presidential election, 2019–20 Croatian presidential election, 2008–09 Turkmen parliamentary election, 2019–20 Uzbek parliamentary election, 2010–11 Haitian general election, 2015–16 Central African general election etc etc. Number 57 19:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. While I see arguments for both sides, CrazyC83 and Netwalker3 make great points. It is the 2020 election cycle, and the runoff will be barely into 2021. (Side note: Isn't it crazy it's already almost 2021?) Making the article easiest to look up means keeping it the 2020 special election; the runoff doesn't change that. PickleG13 (talk) 02:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

• Comment on the above: if the article is renamed, the old name can and presumably will become a redirect, so it should be as easy to look up in that case. --174.95.161.129 (talk) 04:55, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per comments above. It is still the 2020 election cycle and some major events like UEFA Euro 2020, 2020 Summer Olympics and Expo 2020 have moved to 2021 due to the pandemic. ApprenticeFan work 04:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
  • This is an election, not a sports event or exposition. They are very different things. Those events are BRANDED as that year. The election is not a branded event. It also was not postponed. SecretName101 (talk) 03:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per ApprenticeFan. Love of Corey (talk) 12:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The year in the article titles should represent the year of the general elections, which is 2020. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 14:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: like comments above. Keep constistent with elections in the cicle—the runoff is part of the 2020 Georgia election. --Foghe (talk) 15:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support see 2003–04 Baltimore mayoral election, 2018–2019 Phoenix mayoral special election, 2002–2003 Hawaii's 2nd congressional district special elections, 1801–1802 Massachusetts's 12th congressional district special election, 2013–14 San Diego mayoral special election, 1788–89 United States presidential election for various examples of elections which, by various means, straddled years. SecretName101 (talk) 03:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Georgia refers to them as "2020 Runoff Elections" and 5 Jan 2021 as a "Runoff date for the 2020 general election".[2] Also per WP:CONCISE. Station1 (talk) 05:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, as they're a part of the 2020 United States Senate elections. -- GoodDay (talk) 06:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, one has to consider if one of the candidates died or whatever other supervening event, it would still be classed as part of the 2020 schedule; basically the schedule, not date(s), however many, overrides the title.- Adam37 Talk 13:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support as per precedent. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:58, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support as per precedent. I've worked on a LOT of these articles and we always use Year1–Year2 when they go over New Years, even if the popular press (at the time) thinks of them belonging to a particular cycle. There are over 20 such elections like that in in Massachusetts alone. See, e.g., 1824–1825 United States House of Representatives elections in Massachusetts (in Category:United States House of Representatives elections in Massachusetts). —GoldRingChip 01:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support as per precedent. Makes a lot more sense and is consistant with other articles' titles. Martin m159 (talk) 10:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Seems how runoffs appear to be generally titled. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's like the 2020 NFL season. The runoff (err, playoffs) end in 2021, but the main action occurred in 2020. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:43, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per previous arguments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.110.217.186 (talk) 14:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support as per precedent.Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 19:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support strongly, per ample cited precedents. This isn't a sports event, it has become a two-year special election thanks to Warnock's strong showing in the crowded primary and the appointed incumbent, Loeffler, securing a distant runner-up spot. (It's not a hunting or fishing season, either.) Activist (talk) 20:13, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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So embarrassing, to see the result of this RM. For goodness sake, it's a part of the 2020 United States Senate elections. This isn't a case of pre-1913, where the state legislature chose :( GoodDay (talk) 14:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

How surprising the ruling of this RM? I accidently undid the closer's moves. GoodDay (talk) 15:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodDay, so why didn't you un-undo it? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I was unable to, tech wise. GoodDay (talk) 17:55, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Given that 1972 Louisiana gubernatorial election, 1968 Louisiana gubernatorial election, 1964 Louisiana gubernatorial election, and 1960 Louisiana gubernatorial election were previously moved from article titles such as 1959–60 Louisiana gubernatorial election, was this move appropriate?73.110.217.186 (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

This move was not appropriate. GoodDay (talk) 18:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

If that's so, do you think it should be moved back?73.110.217.186 (talk) 19:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes. GoodDay (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Being elected for how long?

As I understand it, the winner's term will run until January 2023. This information should be placed in the lead section. --174.95.161.129 (talk) 04:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Did that. I couldn't before, because it was semi-protected. --174.95.161.129 (talk) 08:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Clarification needed? Why?

I'm not sure what this question was looking for, but here's the lede from the NYT that uses the title: Nov. 1, 2020 DALTON, Ga. — On a recent Sunday morning in northwest Georgia, the Rev. Raphael G. Warnock, the South’s most prominent Black preacher and a Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate, was giving his stump speech, mixing a little laid-back pulpit humor with a searing, Jeremiah-like condemnation of Republicans in the age of Trump. I'll remove the question as answered. Activist (talk) 07:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Graph

Can somebody fix the pre-runoff graph? BSMIsEditing (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

County-level map

Would it be possible to change the color scheme on the county-level results map in the infobox? I understand the reasoning behind having Loeffler and Collins as similar colors, but it makes it very difficult to tell who won which county, especially given how pale most of the counties are. Maybe instead of orange and pink, we could do red and gold, or something with a bit more contrast? It would make sense for Loeffler to be red, because she's the GOP runoff candidate. Jacoby531 (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

As is, it's effectively unreadable in South Georgia. 128.62.152.16 (talk) 22:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Runoff Election

Currently the article has a link to the generic article "two-round election", which obviously is of no help with respect to the specific form of the election to take place in January. I had thought that adding information to rectify this was self-evidently of value, but tag requests have been REPEATEDLY deleted without explanation. I personally do not have the knowledge to improve the article, hence tagging for clarification. I apologise for vandalising in my anger, but deletionists are just vandals that hide by posting links to style-guides. 82.22.50.11 (talk) 12:43, 2020 November 22

Why does this only show one run-off election? There are two incumbent senators from Georgia: Republican Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler - and both face run-off election in January, since neither garnered 50% of the November votes. Loeffler's seat is contested by Democrat Raphael Warnock, the pastor of Atlanta's historic Ebenezer Baptist Church. Perdue's seat is contested by Democrat Jon Ossoff, who gained national attention in a 2017 special election for Congress, nearly flipping a seat long in Republican control. See:

• Game Our System': How The Race To Georgia Senate Runoff Is Heating Up, NPR, 2020-11-20
• Infighting Threatens GOP Chances In Georgia Senate Runoffs, NPR, 2020-11-28

Enquire (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

The article for the other election is at 2020-21 United States Senate election in Georgia. This article only covers the special election. Jacoby531 (talk) 19:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Section indentation display error on mobile

On mobile, the sections starting from “Election-related lawsuits” (“See also”, etc.) are rendered as subsections under “Special election”. Sections are formatted (==Headers==) and displayed correctly on desktop view. Using Safari on iPhone X, iOS 14.2 Rubixmann (talk) 00:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Registered voters / turnout

Is there availalable data on the number of registered voters, and the turnout in the first round?--Aréat (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion to replace misleading maps

Election results by county showing votes cast by size and candidate by color

We have an alternative to the misleading choropleth maps (or filled area) commonly used on these election articles, one which does not omit data on the number of votes cast. Since the issue is idenitical, I'd suggest going to the discussion over at Talk:2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia#Misleading map is misleading. Being easy to read means it is easy to be misled. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protection and picture for Deborah Jackson

Lately, I've seen some edits that look like vandalism, at least in my opinion. Should we make this article semi-protected? On another note, should we also add a picture for Deborah Jackson, the other Democratic candidate?PuzzledWaste (talk) 19:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Awful formatting

So is nobody going to discuss the really awful formatting for the county section? I don't get why the whole article beyond the Hypothetical polling section is just one template in the first place, but ignoring that, something needs to be done about the county table. Wikipedia isn't the place for publishing work-in-progress edits, that's the job of the sandbox. It appears that the county results table is really, I mean really badly formatted, I don't think I need to explain. Should I revert to the version before the county results were added? Thegayfrenchbullie (talk) 4:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

First black senator from the South?

Article says so but I'm doubtful. Wasn't there a black senator from South Carolina? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:3974:F003:B963:23E:C0AD:EA98 (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

He's the first Black *Democratic* Senator from the south. chri. (talk | contribs) 21:30, 12 March 2021 ((UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 16 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 06:26, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

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• 2020–21 United States Senate special election in Georgia → 2020–2021 United States Senate special election in Georgia
• 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia → 2020–2021 United States Senate election in Georgia

– Per MOS:DATERANGE, "2020–2021" is preferred instead "2020–21", same as previous page that was moved. 36.77.93.223 (talk) 19:11, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 08:22, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

• Neutral on this one, but I think unilaterally moving this is less-than-ideal since MOS:DATERANGE does allow for such titles and there is a requested move above. Adding 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia since it was only moved 16 hours ago via WP:RM/TR. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 08:22, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I've reverted the undiscussed move and nominated the other article here accordingly. Elli (talk | contribs) 13:23, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support. The shortened date form is generally used for recurring events (such as sports seasons) which is not the case here. Rreagan007 (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The shortened date format is also generally used for elections (I'll cite the same examples as I did in the RM above: 1992–93 Montenegrin general election‎, 1997–98 Lithuanian presidential election‎, 2000–01 Ivorian parliamentary election‎, 2009–10 Croatian presidential election, 2014–15 Croatian presidential election, 2019–20 Croatian presidential election, 2008–09 Turkmen parliamentary election, 2019–20 Uzbek parliamentary election, 2010–11 Haitian general election, 2015–16 Central African general election) as it's more concise, and is allowed under MOS:DATERANGE for consecutive years. Number 57 09:42, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Number 57. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:34, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

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Law changed, in 2022

Apparently between this runoff & the 2022 runoff, Georgia changed the rules so that a runoff election had to be held within four weeks of the first round election. GoodDay (talk) 04:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)