Talk:2020 Georgian parliamentary election

Opinion polls and other issues

I have tried my best to expand the article . However, I find with great concern that little effort has been undertaken to update the opinion polls section of the article . I hope that more polls will be added ,because the current polls are completely obsolete and due to their expiration, they serve little value as reliable opinion of Georgian Voters . About opinion polls, I would like to mention that articles related to elections organised in Eastern Europe are frequently ignored by Wikipedians who are interested in poll related works . In this case , adequate steps need to be taken to guarantee that pre-election environment as well as polls are updated reflecting changes of the electoral environment. Often some articles feature pre-election environment by showing bias towards liberal parties . In some cases, the bias is often towards the opposition . Wikipedia has problems with liberal bias ,and electoral environment, according to many articles ,is often worsened by the participation or dominance by right-wing parties . In many election-related articles ,the Greens are given more-than-sufficient coverage , even if they are a smaller electoral force in Europe . I think both liberal and il-liberal views need to be coveraged in Wikipedia, in an encyclopedic tone , rather than having a journalistic or opinionated tone . The fact is that I myself am a liberal democrat , but liberal-centric coverage of Wikipedia is causing problems . Last but not the least, I often see that although composition of national or local legislatures changes after elections and by-elections are organised , but articles featuring the composition of national legislatures, especially in case of African countries , are not updated . I expect the community to take a strong role in combating these issues . Faithfully yours , Ppt2003 (talk) 12:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Map

@Ayvind-Bjarnason: Thanks for adding the map. Could you remove the whitespace to the right, which is about 20% of the area – this is causing it to display off-centre in the infobox. Cheers, Number 57 12:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'll work on it now. Thanks! Ayvind-Bjarnason (talk)

Done! Should I nominate the old one for deletion? Ayvind-Bjarnason (talk) 14:21, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ayvind-Bjarnason: You didn't need to create a new file. You could have simply uploaded a new version over the top of the old one using the "Upload a new version of this file" link. Number 57 14:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Oops, I'm new here. Thanks for pointing that out. Ayvind-Bjarnason (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Parties in infobox

Don't remove parties from infobox. All parties which got parliamentary seats as a result of election need to be represented in the infobox. Rutdam (talk) 15:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

This is not how infoboxes work. Check any other countries infobox and I do mean any other country and you will see that none of them include 1-2%ers. Georgian wikipedia has different rules and standards than the English one. If you really want to include Laborists you should use TILE method... you know... the one we changed. TIE is just for showing the largest parties. TIE is not made for 9 parties. The reason why I think TIE is fine here is that it represents 131/150 seats and doesn't represent only 19. I think that is more than acceptable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_election - "For legislative elections with many parties, consider using

2020 Georgian parliamentary election

instead." Zlad! (talk) 17:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Georgian election of 2020 was unique from other elections because it had 1% thershold, other elections usually have much higher thershold. Therefore, even 2% is not small figure if thershold is 1%. There is no rule which prohibits 9 parties from being included in the current type of infobox, it is just three rows. Excluding any parties which got seats in parliament is violation of NPOV. Moreover, 19 seats is not a small number, it is actually quite big figure. Rutdam (talk) 17:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

It's not a violation of NPOV. This has nothing to do about the threshold. Nothing. Check UK, French, elections, whichever country you want. Also I have to ask... are you sure the photos that you are uploading for Wikipedia are free and allowed to use here or should they be nominated for deletion? Zlad! (talk) 18:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with @Zlad! on this. It doesn't make sense to include 9 parties if we're using TIE. TIE typically lists the largest parties, so it seems odd to have a party like Labour on par with others that won many more seats than them. Since the 2020 election used proportional representation with a 1% threshold, I believe TILE would be more appropriate in this case IF you really don't want the omisssion of parties. Aficionado538 (talk) 18:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I would support TILE infobox then, because it does not makes sense to omit 15% of seats. This election of Georgia (2020) was particularily notable compared to others because it resulted in the most multi-party parliament in country's 21st century history, in other elections usually only 2/3 parties got seats, so it would be good to mention all parties which got seats to highlite this notability. Rutdam (talk) 18:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Let's hear it from other users as well that have been active in the discussions. Do you prefer the newer TIE version with 3 parties that are over 5% or the old TILE html chart version with all? Or do you think TIE should stay but with all the parties?

@Jamaika-Koalition, @Labrang, @number57, @J4keeS237, @Glide08, @AlexandreAssatiani, @70P53D. Zlad! (talk) 19:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The reason I don't think TILE is better than TIE even in this instance is that you have a chart I made and uploaded of the parliament that really shows how colorful it was, and you have the results chart down in the article that anyone can look up and see 0-5%ers. And once again, 19 seats are just not decisive imo especially when you consider than GD won a pretty strong majority independently. Zlad! (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

It's meant to be a simple summary of the results after all. Zlad! (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Rutdam, @Aficionado538 one argument in favor of 9 party TIE could be that South Africa has those types of infoboxes. What is your guy's opinion on this and to how it compares to Georgia? Zlad! (talk) 20:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@LeontinaVarlamonva I'll tag you here as well. Zlad! (talk) 20:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

TILE has many advantages over TIE, one of which (particularly relevant here) is that it stops endless edit warring about which parties that won seats to include, as all of them are. The current version (TIE with nine parties) is ridiculous as it is more than three screens long; with the previous TILE infobox you could see all parties and the map on a single screen. Also worth noting that the claim above about 1-2% parties never being included in infoboxes is untrue; they are included in several country's infoboxes, including the Netherlands, Israel etc. Number 57 21:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I meant that 1-2% parties are not included in TIE generally with exceptions like South Africa.

My preference is still TIE with 2 or 3 parties included as even just 2 main parties get 85% of the seats. Zlad! (talk) 21:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

This whole TIE v. TILE debate is so frustrating to me (and I'm sure you feel the same) to the point where I'm just becoming quite blasé about this debate. However, I personally believe TILE is more suited here given the relatively high political fragmentation this election featured compared to other elections in Georgia, but hey, that's just my opinion. Aficionado538 (talk) 21:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

You say fragmentation yet 85% of the seats ends up with either Strength is in Unity or GD. That's why I still think TIE is better as if it was truly as fragmented as Israel or Netherlands I'd favor TILE. But out of the Georgian elections, I will say TILE is the most stomachable and understandable here. 2012, 2016, and 2024 are just unacceptable in my eyes. Zlad! (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

TBH, I would be okay with compromising on TILE with this election, but I think the footnote on GD's seat count in the last election is very crucial and provides good information. It also shows both the proportional and constituency election, but I wouldn't miss it being gone for this election too much. Zlad! (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Again, as aforementioned, I'm okay with TIE only if it just shows the largest parties and not the current 9, if that's what's decided to go with. Aficionado538 (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

In France all parties that got seats are listed and in UK not, but in UK parties which got seats and are not listed have only 46 MPs out of 650 MPs total, which is not comparable to 19 MPs out of 150 total. Rutdam (talk) 18:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)