Talk:2020 Seanad election

Latest comment: 3 years ago by No such user in topic Requested move 5 June 2021

Requested move 5 June 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move 2020 Irish Seanad election2020 Seanad election and 1925 Irish Seanad election1925 Seanad election without prejudice against a future move. The current "Irish Seanad" title is inappropriate, as it uses an uncommon mixture of English and Irish, and a number of other articles already uses bare "Seanad". While there was a proposition to use full Seanad Éireann consistent with the main article, it has not gained sufficient traction, but perhaps can be explored at a later date. No such user (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply


– per WP:CONCISE. The term "Seanad" unambiguously refers to the upper house of the Oireachtas, because there is no other Irish-speaking country with an upper house. So WP:PRECISE will still be meet after the rename. Note that Seanad redirects to Seanad Éireann. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose as in violation of the fifth point of WP:NCELECT ("For elections to particular bodies or offices, default to the form "Date [adjectival form of country name] Body/Office election"") which the current title meets. Number 57 11:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
    @Number 57: note those words default to the form. If you want to modify the guidance to require that the adjectival form of country name, the WP:RFC is thataway ... but unless and until WP:NCELECT is changed, it does not require us to use superfluous adjectives, which is what the default creates in his case. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:45, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • @Number 57: I do not share that assumption of Irish invisibility. But if you insist on some marking of nationality, then the titles should be "YYYY Seanad Éireann election", because "Seanad Éireann" is the actual name in actual use, whereas "Irish Seanad" is a made-uppy term. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Can't we just call them the "Irish Parliament", made up of the "Irish Senate" & "Irish House of Commons". Ya know, something easier on the eyes. GoodDay (talk) 01:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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I just wish for us english only readers, we'd keep using Irish, Welsh etc etc, in front of such legislature articles. Seanad on its own, doesn't tells us which country. GoodDay (talk) 20:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

@GoodDay:: see WP:CRITERIA, under recognisability. Policy requires us to name articles for the benefit of those who know the topic area.
By your logic, Grande école would renamed to French Grande école. If we started down that path, we could rename hundreds of thousands of articles ... but it would require a policy change. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
A "Grand School". GoodDay (talk) 01:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
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