Talk:2021 AFC Divisional playoff game (Buffalo–Kansas City)

An article for a recent NFL playoff game?

The playoff game has been over for only a few hours & it's already got its' own article? Seems like WP:RECENTISM to me. GoodDay (talk) 09:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe a little premature, but justified in my opinion. It was a bonkers game, with all sorts of high drama at the end, and I think it will ultimately be considered one of the best of all time. --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:38, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

yeah obviously this article will probably need to be retooled a bit once the recency bias wears off, but it will absolutely be worthy of an article so I don't see the value in deleting it. Several prominent journalists have already compared it to "The Greatest Game Ever Played". -- preschooler@heart 15:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

The other three divisional games ended in high drama, too. All with game-ending field goals. GoodDay (talk) 16:02, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

That's normal football drama, and it's commonplace. This was something else. --Bongwarrior (talk) 23:50, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Article Name

This game totally deserves its own wiki page, my question is, when can we rename it ‘13 seconds?’ 2600:1017:B803:3DFC:BC63:A3B1:8D4:9E45 (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

The current name is fine as a placeholder. Outside of fringe local reports, primarily from Buffalo and KC, calling it "13 seconds" there really hasn't been a nickname given for this game. However, that can change and probably will. Remember that this game was only played two days ago. Frank Anchor 15:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes there has. If they compared this game to "The Greatest Game Ever Played", then I thought, why not call it #2? My proposed nickname is "The Greatest Game Ever Played II". Let me know on my talk page if you like it. Cheers! BubbaDaAmogus (talk) 19:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

feels like 13 seconds has already become the name - obv we're only a few days out from the event, but googling 13 seconds mostly brings you chiefs-bills content Insert90 (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm starting to see that too. Currently about half of the hits on the first few pages of a Google search on "13 seconds" refer to the Bills-Chiefs game. And "13 Seconds" currently redirects here. Though I think an RM is appropriate, rather than unilaterally moving the page. Frank Anchor 19:37, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi all, I've added a few more links about "13 seconds", even one from a guy who equates it to the unlucky number 13/Grim Reaper. Wild coincidence if you ask me. conman33 (. . .talk) 20:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

We should rename this article to "13 Seconds"

No other NFL playoff game (minus the Super Bowl) gets its own page unless it's a significant game. For instance, the 2017 Saints-Vikings divisional game got the nickname of "Minneapolis Miracle", which quickly became its Wikipedia article title. This is certainly a significant game, and because it has a nickname I think it should be renamed 13 Seconds. Just my thoughts Mercerclone (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Did you not see the discussion about this above? – PeeJay 17:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

It is very reasonable to assume that User:Mercerclone saw the above discussion. It’s also very reasonable to assume he/she also saw the discussion took place less than a week after the game took place and the prevailing opinion was it was too soon to make a name change since it was unclear if the “13 seconds” name would stick. Now, eight months later, it is clear that the 13 seconds name is here to stay. And for that reason, I support this name change and recommend a Mercerclone make an RM to gage the opinion of the community. Frank Anchor 18:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 26 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:14, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

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2021 AFC Divisional playoff game (Buffalo–Kansas City) → 13 Seconds – It's been a while since the game, and it is better remembered as the "13 Seconds" game than the Chiefs-Bills divisional round game. Mercerclone (talk) 19:15, 26 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

• Support the “13 seconds” name has gained, and maintained, widespread use in the eight months since this drive took place. And the game is most remembered for the final 13 seconds of regulation. A majority of the hits on a Google search of “13 seconds” link to this game. There is recent national coverage referring to the events of this game as “13 seconds” here and here. Frank Anchor 19:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - this was the 2021 AFC Divisional playoff game between Buffalo and Kansas City. There was more to the game and there is more to the article than the last 13 seconds. And "13 seconds" is a rather ambiguous way to refer to a football game. The nickname of 13 seconds is adequately addressed through the redirect. Rlendog (talk) 13:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

• Precedent exists to name an article after a play (or in this case series of plays) rather than the generic game title itself. 4th and 26, Music City Miracle, Minneapolis Miracle, and many other pages include descriptions of the entire game similar to what is shown in this page with focus on the key play. Frank Anchor 13:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

• Even more precedent exist to name games consistently with how this one is named. Rlendog (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• The above unsubstantiated claim of “even more precedent” existing is false. There are a handful of games with the generic “20xx Playoff Round Game” but only in the absence of a commonly-used nickname, such as “13 seconds”. See Category:National Football League playoff games for the small list of such articles Frank Anchor 15:28, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

• The above statement is false. 13 seconds is used not necessarily as a nickname for the game, but often for the last 13 seconds of the game. That is different from most of the nicknamed games in the category where there has been well established use of those names (like the Fog Bowl) for the game itself. Rlendog (talk) 13:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

• And, as has already been explained above, there are a significant number of NFL playoff games which have articles named after a single play or series of play, such as 4th and 26, Music City Miracle, and Minneapolis Miracle (which I listed above), and many others. All of those articles, like this one, describe the game in their entirety with a focus on the specific play. Frank Anchor 18:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

• Comment pinging User:BubbaDaAmogus, User:Conman33, and User:Insert90, who were all involved in the previous discussion. Frank Anchor 15:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

  I would agree and support moving to "13 Seconds". I agree with the above comment that this would align with pages titled for specific incidents or time frames in past games (4th and 26, etc). conman33 (. . .talk) 18:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Not a clearly WP:RECOGNIZEable name. The current one is descriptive and accurate.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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