Talk:2021 Milan airplane crash

Location

I've added coordinates for the building; the Guardian article we cite has a photograph of the building captioned with "Firefighters work on the site of the plane crash", and this makes it clear the location. Most news sources seem to describe the site as on or near Via 8 Ottobre 2001 and/or Via Marignano. Google Maps gives the road name as Via Giuseppe Impastato – it'd be good to include this with a source, given that it is contradictory to what has been published. MIDI (talk) 10:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 12 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus: There does not appear to be any consensus on the article title. (non-admin closure) Spekkios (talk) 21:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

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2021 Milan airplane crash → 2021 San Donato Milanese airplane crash – The airplane crash didn't happen in Milan, but in the nearby locality of San Donato Milanese. The title is misleading. I had thought it happened on Milan and that San Doneto Milanese could be some quarter of the city or something like that. I didn't pay much attention to it. This could also be the case for many readers, so we should use the correct location on the title. Super Ψ Dro 10:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR _talk 19:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. It's too soon for a scholarly search, but my vanilla gsearch returns "about 80,000" results for "2021 San Donato Milanese airplane crash", but "About 11,500,000" for "2021 Milan airplane crash". Far more people have at least heard of Milan. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 11:40, 12 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – the location of the incident appears to have occurred within the Milan metropolitan area and in the bounds of the Metropolitan City of Milan, so the current title is the simplest accurate name. MIDI (talk) 11:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I believe (if the flight isn't a scheduled flight) we prefer "air crash" per WP:COMMONALITY (airplane/aeroplane). See the entries at navbox {{Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2021}} for examples. Admittedly, the air isn't what crashes. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 15:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I prefer change airplane crash to Pilatus PC-12/47E crash, I think the aircraft type should be on the title, not just easily said airplane. Mil Mi-888 (talk) 17:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  Generally speaking we should aim for the most concise title that is accurate, and only be more specific when necessary. Specifying the type of aircraft would only be necessary if there was another aeroplane crash in the Milan area in 2021. MIDI (talk) 10:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  Even then, how many readers know or care that it was a Pilatus PC-12/47E? It's not really that relevant to the fact that "in 2021, a small aircraft crashed near Milan". It would be more relevant if it were found that Pilatus PC-12/47Es were frequently falling out of the sky. Even Concorde crash is "only" a redirect to Air France Flight 4590. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 14:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support The title is very ambiguous. And every name need not be a common name. I do support the name given by User Mil Mi-888 but only to a certain extent. The Aircraft name should be given per WP:AATF. The norm itself says it all too. For e.g. 1983 TAME Boeing 737 crash and not 1983 TAME Boeing 737-200 crash. KlientNo.1 (talk) 16:47, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Established naming conventions at WP:AATF#Accident article naming conventions (and WP:DESCRIPTOR) may be a valid point, but the current article title is not at all ambiguous – there has not been another airplane crash in or near Milan this year, so the article title carries no ambiguity. MIDI (talk) 18:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Aviation has been notified of this discussion. VR _talk 19:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Update

On 12 November 2021 the data traced in the flight recorder was extrapolated, with special software, and will be analyzed to try to understand the causes of the crash. https://www.italy24news.com/local/260917.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.134.219 (talk) 14:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)