Talk:2021 Palawan division plebiscite

Partition or division?

The law itself describes it as dividing Palawan. The actual WP:RS on the article talk about "dividing" the province. Shouldn't 2020 Palawan division plebiscite be the WP:NC-compliant article name? Howard the Duck (talk) 09:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Source of partial results

@Howard the Duck: Why can't I find anything on Google? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• @HueMan1: check out social media. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Color scheme

Hello. Usually, we have the blue/yellow color scheme when it's a more complicated question than simply yes or no, with two proposals. When it's a simple matter of voting for or against, we use green and red. If that's okay with you all, we should make the switch.--Aréat (talk) 09:36, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aréat: I got the map's colour scheme from the map of the 2019 Bangsamoro autonomy plebiscite. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 09:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I would argue it's the same situation there. But I'm not going to do the changes if you're against, considering we already have maps using that color scheme. --Aréat (talk) 10:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The reason why a blue/yellow color scheme is use is for WP:NPOV reason. Using a traditional green/red color scheme might introduce unintentional bias; that voting for "yes" (green) is a favorable option, and voting "no" (red) is a "bad decision". For the Bangsamoro plebiscite, I followed the Brexit referendum as the template.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 12:18, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Precisely, it was used in the UK referendum because it wasn't a yes or no, but a leave or remain, in which case we use the neutral blue and yellow. When it's yes or no, green and red are used. It's not judgemental, green is associated with yes, greening, etc and red with a no, stop, etc. It doesn't color no as a bad decision. --Aréat (talk) 14:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Well said, Aréat. Lets stick to conventional colors please. Its just odd seeing those check and cross icons side by side with the map with different color legends on the same infobox. They look totally off. Btw, blue and yellow look more like a poll between two political parties, like Grace Poe vs. Leni Robredo.;)--RioHondo (talk) 14:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I made several changes with the map: I used the colour scheme of File:1998 CAR plebiscite result.png; removed Kalayaan because it was too small and too distant, making a hard-to-see map harder to see; and made some minor changes. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:26, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Blue-yellow scheme is more distinguishable for colour-blind people compared to green-red which looks like the same colour. --Janbryan (talk) 01:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

This is the most important reason. See MOS:COLORCODING. Blue and yellow have to be used from here on out. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I doubt it. The streets and everywhere around us still operate on green for "yes can go" and red for "no can't go" and i dont know how that works for "color blind" people but it works, it has been like that since forever lol. If people arent bothered by this color discrepancy between the map and the yes and no icons, then will leave it at that however retarded it looks, the discrepancy i mean as i have no color preference anyway ;)--RioHondo (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

For color blind people, either they adjust for us, or we adjust for them. In BGC, traffic lights have different shapes (red hearts and green Christmas trees) to help color blind people. (It also helps that there are three different lightbulbs per color so color blind people know that "top gray colored light" means "stop", and "bottom gray colored light" means "go". Imagine if there's only one lightbulb.) Red=bad and green=good isn't a universal construct. In East Asian cultures, red means a good thing, so if their stock market goes up, they'd see red-colored upward-pointing triangles instead of green-colored ones like this: . Now if you guys want to disobey MOS:COLORCODING, there has to be very, very good reason, and this isn't it. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Using green and red isn't disobeying MOS:COLORCODING which doesn't require using others colors. It require not to use those colors alone. Something we aren't doing there, as the colors are used in clearly labelled "yes" and "no" columns, and only one of the two colors is used in a given line.--Aréat (talk) 16:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

"Choose colors that are distinguishable by readers with the most common form of colorblindness". Sounds pretty much as disobeying to me. If we'd boldfacing both "yes"/"no" it doesn't distinguish between the two as both would still be gray. We could probably use fancy formatting, but that'll disobey MOS:BOLD and friends. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

This is even more difficult to implement on maps. With text you can boldface, italicize, underline or whatever, but red and green shades on maps would appear like grayscale shades to someone who is color blind with no distinction what is "yes" or "no". Sure you could put cute symbols (like green and red check marks/ticks that again, will appear as gray check marks/ticks) but that defeats the purpose on making illustrations such as that. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)