Talk:2021 Tour Championship

Match length source

Do commentators who are at the venue count as valid sources for the length of the matches? We have multiple commentators (who are likely going to be apprised of the situation) confirming that all matches are going to be Best of 19's from start to finish, including Dave Hendon: refer here for more info. Would've linked Alan McManus' tweeting the same but his account is marked as private so only visible to those already following him. I find it unlikely that the commentators, who are likely preparing for the tournament to start tomorrow and are almost certainly on site, would be incorrect in their assessment. --CitroenLover (talk) 17:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Why is Bingham listed for the Cazoo Cup?

He can't win the cup, as he's not in the event.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Your point being? Isn't that just a list of the top 10 scorers? We would have one at the end of the tournament too. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:23, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Why are we not allowed to make note of debutants for this event?

Like we have done previously for events like the World Grand Prix? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:1AE4:D658:9D4C:73D2:6695:FF2 (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I mean, debutants in the prose isn't so bad, especially for the summary, but I'm yet to find a reliable source saying that they are debutants. Just saying it is WP:OR. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:42, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Cazoo Cup bonus

The commentators on TV have made no reference to a £100,000 bonus or of a Cazoo Cup. How is a Tweet from Barry Hearn not reliable? Radamfi (talk) 10:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 16:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Ronnie O'Sullivan almost withdrew from the 2021 Tour Championship after sending his cue stick for repair twice before the event? Source: https://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/news/robertson-thunders-past-lisowski/190341

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cooper station (Connecticut)
• Comment: Event final is in progress, so may be suitable to update to say "winner", if O'Sullivan wins the event tonight. Getting in this nomination before I forget.

5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 15:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC).

• article expansion checks out, no copyvio detected. QPQ review is fine. Two things: (a) there's a [citation needed] in there which could be resolved but isn't critical and (b) although Ronnie didn't win, you could put "losing finalist" or "runner-up" in the hook to establish that despite nearly jacking it in, he almost won the whole thing? Nothing critical though, good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

• Happy to have "runner-up" precede Ronnie O'Sullivan. I wrote this before the final, I was kinda hoping he'd win to make the hook better! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

• Lee Vilenski, there's a citation needed tag on the article. Can you please address that and ping me when you've done so? Thanks! MeegsC (talk) 15:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

• No worries. I've removed. I was waiting for next month's Snooker Scene magazine, but it'll be a while. It's hardly important info. MeegsC Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks Lee! MeegsC (talk) 16:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2021 Tour Championship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 18:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Shall review MWright96 (talk) 18:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• Wikilink sessions to the relevant article
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• "taking place from 22 to 28 March 2021 at the Celtic Manor Resort in Newport, Wales." - a comma is missing after the end date
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• "The event is sponsored by car retailer Cazoo." - past tense; was`
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Overview

• "The 2021 Tour Championship was the third and final event in the 2020–21 Cazoo Cup series, first introduced in the 2018–19 snooker season, the first two events being the World Grand Prix and the Players Championship." - repetition of "event"
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• "(the ranking points won over the 2019–20 season)" - over the course of the 2019–20 season
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• Wikilink South Wales
  • I'd argue South Wales is large enough to not be required to be linked like we do with major landmasses such as countries. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• "The tournament is primarily broadcast by ITV4 in the United Kingdom." - another case of incorrect use of tense; was
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• "across America, Italy and Spain." - the Americas, Germany, Italy and Spain.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• "The event is sponsored by car retailer Cazoo." - was
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Qualification

• "Jordan Brown was the ninth ranked player, acted as the first travelling reserve for the event.[12]" - not mentioned in the source at the end of this sentence. Another reliable source is needed to verify it
  • Yeah, I've resourced, but it's something specifically mentioned in the broadcast, it's here but not a suitable uploader. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Also Scottish Sun, but I don't think is reliable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Quarter-finals

• Wikilink the term session to the relevant article on the first mention
• "O'Sullivan pulled ahead by three to 8–5 later in the match, " - three frames
• "O'Sullivan then made a break of 101, the 1,100th century break of his career.[14][18]" - reference 14 is not needed at the end of this sentence since it does not mention this fact
• "O'Sullivan won the match in frame 18, after Higgins missed a pot on the yellow ball.[14][18]" - same issue as above
• "Robertson won the opening frame, but Lisowski won the second," - needs verifying since the Eurosport reference at the end of this sentence does not explicitly mention this
• "Robertson won the opening frame, but Lisowski won the second," - repetition of "won"
• "Selby also won the next two frames with breaks of 81 and 54." - Eurosport only mentioned a "half-century" but the Reference 23 World Snooker source does mention this fact
• "Barring the Snooker Shoot Out, a one-frame tournament, this was the only tournament in the season Wilson had not scored a single century break." - repetition of "tournament"
• "Judd Trump met Barry Hawkins in the final quarter-final." - repetition of "final"
• "making a break of 112 in frame four." - World Snooker states the break was 119
• "The next three frames were won by Hawkins, before Trump won frame eight to trail 3–5." - repetition of "won"
• "Hawkins won the next two frames including break of 61 to lead 9–6." - including a break
• "Hawkins won the match after potting a long brown ball to finish 10–7 ahead." - better; Hawkins won the match 10–7 after potting a long brown ball.
  • All done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-finals

• "The semi-finals were played on 26 and 27 March." - needs to be verified by a reliable source
• "including a break if 114." - of
• "In the third, Selby made a series of errors" - a word is missing between "third" and the comma
• "Selby won the next frame, but Roberston won frame 13 to win the match 10–3." - too many uses of the word "win/won" in a single sentence
• "In frame 16, Hawkins lead with a break of 46," - spelling error; should be led
• "but O'Sullivan won the frame with a break of 71, and won the next with a break of 90 to trail 8–9." - repetition of "won"
  • All done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Final

• "O'Sullivan made only 26 points to Robertsons 650." - O'Sullivan acculmated only 26 points to Robertson's 650.
• "having never lost more than three in a row prviously.[47][45]" - refs in numerical order, please; also spelling error in "prviously"
• "but commented that the performance put him in good standing for the world championships." - championship.
• "In winning the event, Robertson was also able to win the Cazoo Cup." - repetition of "win"
  • all done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Cazoo Cup

• The table will need to be verified with a reliable source already used in the article
  • cited Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

References

• References that don't include author name(s) and publication dates that are present will need to be added to the relevant citations
  • doing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
• Reference 2 is a duplicate of Reference 10
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• I don't think Reference 8 is needed since Reference 7 mentions tournament-specific broadcasters
  • I don't see too much of any issue to show this is confirmed in two refs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• The archive link for reference 10 needs to be update to the 2021 tournament from the 2020 competition
  • Which reference is this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• The archive link for reference 13 goes to a Facebook link
  • removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• In Reference 27 the title, the hyphen in "Mark Selby (England) defeats Kyren Wilson (England) 10-3"" needs to be replaced by an en dash per MOS:DASH
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• The title for Reference 32 is incorrect
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
• References 5 and 50 are almost virtually identical
  • removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Am going to put the review on hold to allow the nominator to address or query the points raised above MWright96 (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

That should be everything addressed MWright96. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Now promoting to GA class MWright96 (talk) 08:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)