Talk:2022 Haitian fuel protests

Foreign Intervention?

USA and Canada have decided to provide military supplies to Haiti, such as armoured vehicles, as well as a proposed UN resolution to authorise international action. Seems quite significant to the crisis, and I think it should have its own section. Genabab (talk) 08:05, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 24 October 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 16:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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2022 Haitian crisis → 2019–2022 Haitian crisis – Contrary to what the title of the article states, the crisis in Haiti did not start in 2022. This crisis has been going on since 2019 (CNN, nytimes), but intensified in 2022.

Placing the date of 14 September 2022 as the beginning of a crisis that was already underway is original research. Fontaine347 (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 08:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Fontaine347: I would argue that if this page should be moved, it should be moved to 2021–2022 Haitian crisis, rather than 2019–2022 Haitian crisis. From what I have read, my understanding is that this is a situation that has been ongoing for several years now, even prior to 2019 (see the existing article that I recently split the page in question off from: 2018–2022 Haitian protests). As well as making the articles more distinct in terms of topic, my primary reasoning for a move to "2021–2022" instead of "2019–2022" would be that, prior to 2021, the events and protests that occurred in Haiti (as those CNN and NYT articles state) took place under the government of then-president Jovenel Moïse, with protestors calling for Moïse to resign. After Moïse's assassination in 2021, however, since Ariel Henry assumed leadership as prime minister, protests have been calling for the resignation of Henry. Every event since then, including the announcement that fuel subsidies would be ended and that petroleum prices would increase (and the resulting fuel terminal blockade that is intensifying current proceedings/resource shortages in Haiti), has occurred under Henry's government. I believe this would be a better way to make a distinction between the existing articles. What do you think? —Matthew - (talk) 21:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@MatthewHoobin: I’d suggest creating a “Background” section that includes important info from the 2018–2022 Haitian protests article. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The article "2018–2022 Haitian protests" focuses on the protests. The article "Haitian crisis" should be about the socioeconomic, political and humanitarian crisis in Haiti that started long before 2022. Something similar to what was done with the articles about Venezuela: Crisis in Venezuela and Venezuelan protests (2014–present).--Fontaine347 (talk) 15:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Fontaine347: Okay, I see what you mean. Upon further consideration, I'm also in favour of doing it similarly to the articles about Venezuela. However, I'm not sure if I agree with using 2018 as the "starting year" for the crisis. There's a 2019 Al Jazeera article that points to 2018 as a starting point for the crisis, with Venezuela having stopped shipping oil to Haiti in March 2018, and the Haitian government removing energy subsidies that July. As a result, I'm leaning towards a move to 2018–2022 Haitian crisis. Could you provide some further justification for why the starting point should be listed as 2019 instead? The CNN article you linked above only seems to point to February 2019 as the starting point for the particular series of protests that the article is covering, and I'm unable to access the full NYT article. —Matthew - (talk) 18:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose It sounds like this proposal would make this article duplicate 2018–2022 Haitian protests, which is already mentioned in the “Background” section. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:24, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. This article was spun out of 2018–2022 Haitian protests in order to focus on the Sept–Nov 2022 crisis. Therefore the title and scope should remain 2022 Haitian crisis. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:35, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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Petrocaribe loans

The infobox states that one of the causes of the crisis was the "Misuse of loans from Venezuela (Petrocaribe)". Does anyone have more information regarding this? The rest of the articles does not seem to mention this, and the statement is otherwise unreferenced. NoonIcarus (talk) 23:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

End of crisis

The article describes the crisis in Haiti as having concluded with the end of the blockade of the fuel terminal. While a significant development, I doubt it marks the end of the crisis, as the economy of Haiti is still suffering downturn and protests have continued. Should it not be changed to reflect this? Presidentofyes12 (talk) 21:02, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 6 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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2022 Haitian crisis → 2022 Haitian fuel protests – The current name is identical to Haitian crisis (2018–present) while the article is mainly about the fuel protests. Sgnpkd (talk) 14:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Agree, this might be better, as the crisis stretches at least from Martelly to the present. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 16:54, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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