Talk:2022 Phoenix shooting
Latest comment: 1 month ago by BadMombo1660 in topic Did this article not already exist?
 | This page was proposed for deletion by Fram (talk · contribs) on 8 October 2024 with the comment: WP:NOTNEWS, no substantial sustained coverage (just one slightly later source, when the footage was released). It was contested by Sir MemeGod (talk · contribs) on 9 October 2024 with the comment: I'm going to remove this and add back a "sources exist" tag. I'm not good with making calls, but hear me out: Several (national and well-known) sources were still discussing the shooting by September 15, almost 15 days after the shooting. I will also have access to Newspapers.com within the next few days (once the website gets the apps), and I'm 100% sure that once I have access I can find sustained coverage, hence the addition of the tag. "One source" also isn't accurate. |
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Wikipedia is not a news website
editI have tagged this article as reading like a police briefing or being largely based on routine news coverage, as the cited news articles are concentrated around the date of the shooting and around the date that police released information about the shooting, a couple of weeks later. As Wikipedia is not a news website, an article should have continuing coverage over a sustained period of time and demonstrate some form of lasting effect or impact on society beyond the event itself. The article should address questions like what factors in the perpetrator's upbring or life lead to him committing this act and what actions have been prompted as a result of this act, such as public enquiries, changes in social policy or legislation, advocacy or activism on behalf of victims or relatives, research, etc. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:SUSTAINED is up to editor discretion, and in my opinion 15 days of coverage from major sources (CNN, CBS) warrants an article. The event 100% meets GNG though. SirMemeGod 12:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Sir MemeGod: The decision about whether Wikipedia articles are notable is based on consensus decision-making of the editing community, not just the opinion of a single editor. While this article might meet WP:GNG, it still needs to demonstrate it is WP:NOTNEWS and meets the notability guideline for events, as well. The sort of coverage you allude to is really two bursts of coverage, one at the time of the event and the other at the time the police closed its investigation into the shooting. This is mainly run of the mill coverage. The sort of coverage I am looking for is what distinguishes this shooting from any other shooting that seems to happen randomly, almost every day, in the United States. Only two people were killed, and the perpetrator apparently died by his own hand. He isn't reported to have left any explanation for what he did or why he did it; he just went out the door and randomly shot a people who drove by. Wikipedia should not be in the business of having every shooting documented in a separate article, rather its articles should place the shootings it does document in a broader social context of the society these occur within. This is a difference between an encyclopedia and a news website. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Did this article not already exist?
editI could have sworn that it did, but it got smited by th' Mod-Kings. BadMombo1660 (talk) 13:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)