Talk:2022 Tour de France

Orphaned references in 2022 Tour de France

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Reference named "Stage-3":

• From 2021 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11: "Tour de France - 3 - Lorient - Pontivy". Tour de France. Tissot Timing. 28 June 2021. Retrieved 28 June 2021.
• From 2022 Tour of Slovenia: "Stage 3 Result". Procyclingstats. 17 June 2022. Retrieved 18 June 2022.
• From 2022 Tour de Suisse: "Tour de Suisse - 3 - Aesch - Grenchen". Tour de Suisse. Tissot Timing. 14 June 2022. Retrieved 14 June 2022.
• From 2022 Critérium du Dauphiné: "Critérium du Dauphiné - 3 - Saint-Paulien - Chastreix-Sancy". Critérium du Dauphiné. Tissot Timing. 7 June 2022. Retrieved 7 June 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:07, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Why is it in July?

Isn’t the tour usually in April or May? Why July? That should be in the article -72.35.159.157 (talk) 08:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

July is where it has always been. Paulpat99 (talk) 08:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, overwhelmingly July. For a list of all dates, see e.g. https://bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdfstats.html (first column). If those dates are to be trusted, it never started in April or May, it started in June or July all years except one, 2020, when it started in August. Earliest start was June 17, 1928; latest start was August 29, 2020, ending September 20, 2020 (as the only Tour de France starting in August and the only one ending in September). So all races except one has had at least a part of the race taking place in July. --Jhertel (talk) 10:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

The Giro d'Italia is the one that's in May. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Race summary

I did a very rough race summary based on 2022 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 and 2022 Tour de France, Stage 12 to Stage 21 (the excellent work of @Simonellatyphi23) so that the article can be added to Wikipedia:In the news. Can someone take a look? I think it needs a little more - probably something about van Aert's constant breakaway work, loss of riders to Covid-19 throughout and protests during to the Tour by Climate Change protestors... Also maybe a little summary in the lead? Turini2 (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Raleigh80Z90Faema69 @Lugnuts @YD407OTZ @Kiwipete Thanks all! Turini2 (talk) 10:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

No prob.... You did a good job slinging this together, good pics, I like the mystery of who is behind Vingegaard I don't recognize him Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 11:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

With regard to the climate change protests - it's clearly an important part of the story of this race, especially given the substantial media coverage of it. (e.g WP)There must be a neutral POV - you can't have Wiggins calling them idiots and then not mention that other riders thought it was a valid thing to protest. Media discussing the protests is also a key part of the story. Turini2 (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Raleigh80Z90Faema69 see above - I have reverted your edits, please see consensus before removing it. It's been a major part of media coverage as I noted above (esp. in the light of the recent European heatwave) and should be included - especially given the high quality references for it. It's also a major issue, not some farmers protest about something minor. Turini2 (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your ping and all your work on this - nice job! I agree the protestors should get a mention, but just that - a mention. One line of their antics is enough. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Raleigh80Z90Faema69 please discuss on the talk page, rather than reverting. Do not bring your personal opinions to the article - "a small fringe group of radicals who were preaching modern day doomsday prophecies that there was only 989 days left to act, otherwise the world as we know it would end because it would be too late to act". The article must have a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. @Lugnuts I have cut it down to "some riders and media expressed support, some were negative" Turini2 (talk) 14:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I just included relevant facts according to the source. They are a fringe group preaching doomsday theories..... Using the Tour to get attention for their cause.... And manipulating Fred Wright's comment to make it sound like he was calling the protests a "good thing" was misleading and patently false, so I corrected the misleading and deceptive information and included his actual quote.....

My opinion had nothing to do with anything if this fringe group of idiots is claiming that there is only 989 days left to act then they are spewing doomsday prophecies no different than any other group of idiots who have said the world is going to end

And saying that their cause is good is one thing, but to make the claim that some riders supported the actions of these protesters interrupting the tour is dangerous and misleading and false. It is a lie.

It's too bad the truth can't be included here, in my opinion, which can be included here in the discussion..... yes sure, they have a good cause, but these are incredibly misguided people who are screaming at innocent people to put a bandaid over a hangnail.... while ignoring the actual problem of a slit throat

If the human body was the Earth Western Europe would be the hangnail of climate change.... The slit throat would be India and China and these people want to shame & humiliate those who won't fix the hangnail and just ignore the actual problem of the slit throat, because there is nothing that can be done about it. If these people had any legitimacy whatsoever they would be protesting outside the embassies of China and India, but they would be ignored because neither China or India care what anyone in the West has to say about them and they simply cannot afford to combat climate change like the west can.... So the slit throat will continue to bleed

But this has nothing to do with the 2022 Tour de France and implying that because of these protests the media began discussing climate change enables and empowers these people and will encourage further protests at future tours and it's dangerous, irresponsible and negligent to encourage further protests, which is exactly what you're doing.

Whether it's the conservative farmers from 2018 or these liberal climate change protests of 2022 the point is they have no business being included in the Tour, neither does their message, cause or reasons.... Their message, their cause and their reasons have nothing to do with the Tour de France and should be ignored Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

As I said, keep your personal opinion out of it. The article should have a neutral POV, which (in my opinion) it does. When/where protests happened, who they were, media/riders said positive and negative things, media coverage of the Tour discussed climate change. (I've cut it down slightly as @Lugnuts suggested) To ignore the protests or to not discuss it at all would be the opposite of a neutral POV. It's not for you to decide whether protests have something to do with the Tour; the article should report what happened based on the references/sources that are available - the guardian article about stage 10 was mostly about the protests!

Given your (clearly strong held) opinions above, I think you should consider if you should step away from that section of the article. Turini2 (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Raleigh80Z90Faema69 I think you've broken Wikipedia:3RR, so I'm going to escalate this. I politely asked you to discuss this on the talk page rather than reverting. Turini2 (talk) 15:31, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Have escalated to Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Turini2 (talk) 15:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I am taking the articles that YOU ARE PROVIDING and extracting content from them..... You made the claim that "some riders and media" supported the protests and then inside the articles you provided the opposite is true.... I'm using the facts of the article..... And you are the one who is not using a neutral point of view.... You're putting words in the mouths of riders and are misleading readers and making this about climate change instead of about the Tour..... How about instead you just erase everything about climate change, make a passing one sentence mention that protesters interrupted the race, without mentioning anything about who they were or what they wanted.... That would be NEUTRAL and that would keep the article about the 2022 TOUR DE FRANCE....

The only changes I'm making and will continue to make are from the citations provided so there is nothing biased about anything I'm editing if I'm only using the sources provided. Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

In regards to the warring article..... this editor is continuously manipulating content and including content in articles that is not true.... For example, in the 2022 Tour de France he is claiming that riders supported climate change protests even though nowhere in the article does it mention riders supporting protests, in fact it says the opposite.... Also this editor is continuously trying to make the article align with his political beliefs instead of staying with the content of the article, which is about the race, so I have been making efforts to get rid of the political content and keep the article about the race.... I've made one final edit to eliminate the unnecessary political speculation and keep the content of this article about the race, the 2022 Tour de France, not the opinions of climate change from the perspective of riders and media commentators, which is entirely irrelevant Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 16:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Listen buddy.... You wrote a decent article here.... Until the politics got involved.... The race was disrupted by protesters.... That's it....the Tour rolls on.... The climate change opinions of riders (which wasn't even cited accurately) and media commentators does not matter and had nothing to do with the race.

And you can't get mad at me for extracting information from the citations you provided and adding it to the content of the article. I'm done Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

As a thought that should have come up yesterday.... Why not make a one sentence mention about the protests, and then link it to stage 10 2022 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 -- this way you could realistically expand on the details of the incident without cluttering up the relevant details of the race.... I don't know why nobody thought of it yesterday as it's usually the thing to do.... It certainly would have solved yesterday's argument and if anyone who wanted to read more about it for any reason could have clicked on the link and got linked to stage 10.... But I don't know if it's appropriate there either as it technically didn't effect the end result of the race.... Someone already rewrote and changed it again anyways so I suppose it's fine how it is.... but linking the incident to 2022 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 came to mind last night Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Mandarax (talk) 23:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, but the article's ITN appearance makes it ineligible for DYK.

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• ... that the 2022 Tour de France was disrupted by climate change protestors? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/12/protests-disrupt-tour-de-france-stage-10-pogacar-covid-cort-nielsen
  • ALT1: ... that climate change protestors disrupted the 2022 Tour de France? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/12/protests-disrupt-tour-de-france-stage-10-pogacar-covid-cort-nielsen
  • ALT2: ... that the 2022 Tour de France will be followed by the first edition of Tour de France Femmes? Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/tour-de-france-femmes-2022-b2129030.html
  • Reviewed:

5x expanded by Turini2 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC).

• Less pleased with ALT2 tbh given that the Tour de France Femmes will probably be completed by the time the DYK is posted. There are other 'fun facts' - like 2022 is first time since 1969 that riders from the same team won the yellow, green, and polka dot jerseys. Turini2 (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• FYI, this article is also listed for potential posting on front page at In the News. If it gets posted at ITN (which seems likely), then it'll be ineligible for DYK, as per DYK rule 1d: An article is ineligible for DYK if it has previously appeared on the main page as bold link in "Did you know", "In the news", or the prose section of "On this day". Joseph2302 (talk) 13:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I did not know that. Can I withdraw it? Turini2 (talk) 13:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I suggest waiting until ITN decides if it will be featured there. That way, if it is rejected at ITN we won't need to reopen a nomination here. Z1720 (talk) 14:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Article is on front page on ITN now, so has become ineligible for DYK. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks all! Learnt something today :) Turini2 (talk) 21:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Climate Change protests consensus

Now, that things have settled down - let's do this properly, shall we? I feel the current wording is a little aggressive - '"dragged the protesters off the road surface" for example.

I feel my (revised) proposed wording below is reasonably balanced, factual and has a neutral point of view. Happy to expand further on my viewpoint if people desire it (e.g. sport is and always has been political, for example!). This section would replace the current wording at the start of Week 2, linking the heatwave section to the climate change section given the (evidenced) link between the two.

During the second week, stages 10 and 18 were disrupted by Climate Change protesters, which forced stages to be halted for a short period. Media discussed the legitimacy of the protest and the effect that climate change was having on the Tour, while other coverage expressed annoyance at the disruption to the race. The second week of the race was affected by an intense heat wave, with stages 14 and 15 having temperatures of around 40 °C (104 °F). The record for the hottest day on the Tour was not broken, however. Some riders suffered heat stroke and needed to be hospitalised, including Alexis Vuillermoz on stage 9. as they had in previous tours.

What do others think, and suggested edits to this? @Lugnuts @YD407OTZ @Kiwipete @GabberFlasted

references for this bit

Turini2 (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC):

A good outline. I would drop the sentence that says "The record for the hottest day on the Tour was not broken, however." And finish the final sentence at the words "Stage 9". References to previous tours don't really help. HiLo48 (talk) 01:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@HiLo48 Cool cool, thanks! Turini2 (talk) 07:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Any other thoughts by anyone? Turini2 (talk) 12:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I haven't followed this issue particularly closely, but your suggestion looks good to me. Kiwipete (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

off topic posts by blocked user and sock

My comment here has nothing to do with any Wikipedia editors or any of the content in this race overview, it's only one paragraph now...... But the source articles are bothering me a little.... Does anyone have any thoughts on some of these source articles? the source articles here is what is so astonishing to me.... Not that we're using them in Wikipedia, but that they were written at all... I just finished reading "The Conversation" article and the Road CC article.... And nowhere in any of these articles do any riders call these protests "a good thing" yet that is the giant sprawling manipulative and deceitful HEADLINE..... Nor does anyone call these protests credible or legitimate..... yet there are multiple delusional, dangerous and manipulative media outlets writing articles and HEADLINES to make it look as though the riders and broadcasters are supporting the protests.... It's utterly absurd, violently politically motivated and absolutely stunning that people who likely consider themselves to be intelligent people could be this manipulative, deceitful and ignorant while blatantly lying all while calling themselves "journalists"..... Poor Fred Wright, he says they're probably protesting about a good thing and then immediately says that it's not good to disrupt the tour de France.... Yet here are several "journalists" who only use the "it's a good thing" taken terribly out of context and manipulate it to achieve their political end, to make it look like the riders agree with these protesters when the ACTUAL FACTUAL REALITY is that ZERO of the riders in any of these articles called the protests 'a good thing' or supported any of these protesters disrupting the race...zero of them.... None, because if there was there would be a CITATION which clearly shows rider and media support, which there isn't..... I don't understand it, yet there are so many other articles, not even just the ones here but all over Google, who took poor Fred Wright's quote and manipulated it into something it wasn't.... The same with Alberto Bettiol..... He definitely did not support any of these protesters in any way shape or form..... It's honestly kind of embarrassing and I feel bad for these "journalists", not only are they delusional and disconnected from the reality that China and India control climate change, and instead of the West killing itself to "do more" when in reality they should be taking all this money they're raising and helping or teaching China and India reach the level of pollution controls that the west is already at... but then they have to lie and manipulate and distort words to make their articles say what they want them to say and make it look like some riders agree with protesting and disrupting the Tour de France when the ACTUAL TRUTH is these riders and sports broadcasters would much rather see these protesters maced and dragged out of the street and arrested and keep politics out of the Tour de France..... Bernard Hinault is sorely missed in this modern era, jumping off his bike and punching a protester in the face would certainly reveal how the riders feel about political activists acting like degenerates and stealing the Tour to get the backwards, disconnected and not even close to the right way of addressing these political views across.... And here at Wikipedia we are helping to distort the truth, and make it say what we want it to say, and not what the actual facts say.... But this is how you know it's a real encyclopedia, real encyclopedias always make themselves out to be good and just and right, even if they have to manipulate things here and there to make it that way... But hey, politics ruins sports all the time so this is certainly nothing new. Again the content is only one paragraph now so it doesn't interfere with the race overview too much, but it's these sources trying to make it out to be "good" and legitimate and like the protesters had support, when it was actually bad, incredibly illegitimate and they had no support Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC) reference number 5 is another DELIBERATE MANIPULATION OF THE FACTS.... It makes it seem as though David Millar is expressing support for this protest when he is not.... In the very next sentence David Millar is asked if these protests are good he says no, I don't think so, yet that is conveniently excluded.... Instead the editor manipulates the facts to make it appear as though he is saying David Millar is saying these protests are "extremely valid" when THAT IS NOT WHAT HE IS SAYING AT ALL..... He is not agreeing with the race being interrupted.... Yet the Citation is made to appear as though he is supporting these protesters when in actual reality he is saying people should not be disrupting the Tour.... Also, as far as the substance of the article itself, I'm certainly no expert so I can't argue, but neither are they and the absolute nonsense mention about Col d'Iseran being the first incident of climate change is not only insane, and crazy, as if implying landslides and hail storms never happened in all of recorded history before 2019.... It's incredibly misleading.... If Luis Ocana wasn't dead they could go ask him about landslides and hail storms, he might have a valid opinion on the matter Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 16:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Ok I'm nitpicking... It's just annoying.... The protesters have a valid argument according to many people.... But the fact that they are interrupting the race is not valid at all... Whichever, no big deal, there will be protests in the future, but if protesters thought they would get in trouble they might think twice.... Many of these articles are practically encouraging people to protest the Tour.... Yes yes of course if you have a valid message bring it to the Tour de France and interrupt the race.... That's what the Tour is here for, to voice political opinion, next year it'll be abortion rights, the Ukraine war and climate change Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Quinn Simmons puked at the Tour de France.... And no matter how hard you try to make it fact, zero riders supported the Tour de France being disrupted.... Nobody.... It's actually kind of embarrassing and pathetic..... I'd rather post an edit I know to be true without the proper source, like Quinn Simmons puking, rather than lie and manipulate article headlines to agree with my politics.... Thanks for making my point and removing that uncited information lol Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 16:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC) @Raleigh80Z90Faema69 I do hope "lie and manipulate article headlines to agree with my politics" is not directed at me...? (a genuine clarification - it is not clear to me) Turini2 (talk) 16:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC) No and yes.... for the most part it isn't.... It's the authors of the source articles themselves which obviously you or I have no control over... You're not the one writing the headlines for these articles, so no, in that sense it's not directed at you.... The only part that might be directed at you is the David Millar part.... That part there looks like it might have been intentionally worded in such a way to make it seem as though he is supporting the protests and calling them "extremely valid", even though in the next sentence (which is excluded) he says he does not support the race being interrupted Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC) So my brother texts me a few hours ago, RaleighZFaema, and says go check out the 2022 Tour de France. I say bro I haven't been on Wikipedia in 3 years Wikipedia is for geeks but ok sure thing, later when I get out of work. Wow though. You know maybe a better way to deal with these climate change protesters would have been to ignore them entirely, instead of acknowledging anything about them. Maybe make a brief mention about how some really really stupid people were acting like really really idiotic morons, maybe a single sentence, if that, and just kept the article about the race. Is what you could have done. Instead of adding in all of those pointless edits and moronic sources that gives people a half dozen nonsense articles to read about it. The way you did this is like allowing the protesters to get there message out there at the expense of the riders. The only other thing that might have been worth mentioning is that none of the riders supported these protests at all. Maybe kept these losers and idiots entirely out of the substance of this article. Might have been the intelligent thing to do. Instead of acknowledging anything about who they were or what they were protesting. On stage 10 some people who had nothing to do with the race showed up and caused a protest. It was dealt with immediately. Squidclaw (talk) 05:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Turini and Lugnuts and socks I was able to read all of the complaints against my brother because Lugnuts and or Turini (I can't tell who, maybe both of them) reported me as being "a sock" or someone who wears socks lololol which I do, you got me there, I'm wearing socks right now, and pants and shoes too.... and you should be sorry Turini, and embarrassed RaleighZFaema is an actual "writer" unlike any of you "editors" so he could care less I haven't edited in 3 years but I'm going to stop by every once in a while now to clean up some of this editorial mess and add in RELEVANT content that has been missed, ignored or overlooked. It's important that relevant content not be ignored. Maybe if people weren't so busy filing reports and complaining to admins because they just can't handle the overwhelming stress of dealing with a "writer" more attention to detail would have been paid well this could be for the best I'll be seeing you guys around from time to time. I work for a living, unlike my brother, so I'm not spending hours on Wikipedia that's for damn sure Growing up is key to essential success as an adult and not everything can be solved by complaining to admins and filing reports just because you just can't handle a pro writer, who is obviously considerably above and beyond your abilities, on a rant. you should have fought back or got into a serious heated debate instead of mentally breaking and complaining to the admins he probably would have been friends with you. I'd know I've fought that savage SOB on several occasions myself. See you around buddies lololol ha!! Squidclaw (talk) 15:03, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I have collapsed off topic posts by blocked user and sock Turini2 (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

apologises, I should have collapsed that post instead of deleting it - have revertedTurini2 (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

All podium finishers were prior podium finishers?

As far as my memory can tell, Jonas never had a podium finish of the Tour before he won it last year. However, the article states that it was the first tour since 1989 that all podium finishers were previous podium finishers. Perhaps one might claim that by “podium finisher” one merely means a 2. or 3. overall place. But if that is the rule then Tadej is not a previous podium finisher as he had only won it before. If you count winning as being on the podium, then the statement is false as Jonas had never finished the Tour in a podium position before he won 2601:C6:D280:1750:58A6:3020:1B8F:39E2 (talk) 03:59, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Jonas placed second in 2021. Podium is the first three finishers the actual thing they stand on at the end is a podium. I will revert your edit. Paulpat99 (talk) 04:04, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned references in 2022 Tour de France

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2022 Tour de France's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "rus-blr" in group "lower-alpha":

• From List of teams and cyclists in the 2022 Tour de France: As of 1 March 2022, the UCI announced that cyclists from Russia and Belarus would no longer compete under the name or flag of those respective countries due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
• From 2022 in men's road cycling: As of 1 March 2022, the UCI announced that cyclists from Russia and Belarus would no longer compete under the name or flag of those respective countries due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
• From 2022 UCI World Tour: On 1 March 2022, the UCI announced that cyclists from Russia and Belarus would no longer compete under the name or flag of those respective countries due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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