Talk:2023 Tata Open Maharashtra

Move request

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved – it has been pointed out that, for better or for worse, the current title is consistent with the naming convention and the titles of related articles. I will create a redirect at 2023 Maharashtra Open. No such user (talk) 11:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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2023 Tata Open Maharashtra → 2023 Maharashtra Open – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 14:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 09:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

1) you would need to also show what you wanted this moved to. And 2) Since their own website uses Tata Open Maharashtra as it's sponsored name, the move to something else for the 2022 and 2023 version would likely fail. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click): Then we should move main article to Tata Open Maharashtra by your logic.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 14:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

The way we do it at Wikiproject Tennis is to have the main article at Maharashtra Open. The reason being it is not only the common name but also the non-sponsored name. At tennis tournaments the sponsors change with the wind. Next year it could be sponsored by Nabisco and be called the Nabisco Maharashtra Open, The main page will always be the Maharashtra Open but the individual year event would then be the 2024 Nabisco Maharashtra Open. That's how we do it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Good point. But this RM should be decided on the basis of a general consensus here at Wikipedia rather than the practice of the WikiProject. If your practice is endorsed here, that supports it of course. But this RM can test that practice either way, and if the consensus here goes against the current WikiProject practice, you need to respect that and consider tweaking your practice. Andrewa (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

That will likely not happen for a couple people wanting to change one article. It would simply be one of many anomalies throughout wikipedia and all it's many topics. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Consensus here to move if it occurs should be considered by the WikiProject, that's all I'm saying. If it goes against their current practice, perhaps consider an RfC and/or a naming convention. It sounds to me as if one may be needed. Andrewa (talk) 07:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I don't really have a strong opinion, but from looking at other recent years at Template:Maharashtra Open tournaments, it looks like the current name is more consistent. If the other articles need to change, this is a good chance to discuss them as well. ASUKITE 15:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Good point. If we get consensus that this article name should not include the sponsor information, that consensus will have bearing on these other article names. And similarly, if there has been past consensus on any of these other articles, that is relevant here, bearing mind however that consensus can change. Andrewa (talk) 18:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Actually it probably won't. Four or Five people here won't make a difference in all the thousands of articles based on Tennis Project. It is in the guidelines as such. Consensus can certainly change but that needs to happen at the project talk page when we are talking thousands and thousands of articles. We need some sort of order and consistency, and right now we have that. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  No, if the only consensus ever formed supporting that local convention is within the WikiProject itself, and a conflicting consensus is reached at this RM (where the closer will consider past discussions and consensus, and particularly policies that represent that past consensus) then it needs to be taken to a wider discussion. This could be the start of that. See above. Andrewa (talk) 07:10, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Sponsorship names should be avoided unless they have strong common usage. See Wikipedia:Official names#Practicality. In this case we also should consider that the proposed name is more concise. Andrewa (talk) 06:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - While the sponsor may change for the tournament as a whole, the individual 2023 year name will never change. It is "2023 Tata Open Maharashtra." It is well sourced as such and can be found on the actual website of the event. Long-standing consensus is to use the actual name of the event for the yearly edition. We have to consider many things at Tennis Project. We call the multi-year event the Maharashtra Open because it is the most common non-sponsored name that encompasses all the events from 1996-2023. Since 2018 it has been the 2018-2023 "Tata Open Maharashtra" located in Pune, India. In 2017 it was the "2017 Aircel Chennai Open" and located in a different city (Chennai, India). In the early 2000s it was the Tata Open... in the 1990s it was the Gold Flake Open. In an individual year we give it the exact title, and overall we use the most common recent version. This is very consistent for thousands and thousands of articles and it would be a rare anomaly to make this article different. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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