Talk:2024–25 UEFA Nations League
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Russia's color on the map
editI think Russia should be TBD too. 177.76.22.139 (talk) 06:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- For what reason do you see this necessity? Regardless of whether the ban holds by the start of Nations League, Russia will be in League C. Jalen Folf (talk) 06:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think we should color Russia as it was already barred. I think coloring the country as TBD is better. 177.76.22.139 (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
League C relegation play-outs
editRegarding:
"the two worst-ranked League C teams will automatically be relegated (a change from the previous editions, which featured relegation play-outs between the fourth-placed teams of League C)".
Sure? The publication about the new Nations League at UEFA web site doesn't say anything about cancellation of these play-outs, does it? SomeBody1971 (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
- @SomeBody1971: The UEFA diagram says there is only direct relegation from League C. S.A. Julio (talk) 05:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's not so obvious. SomeBody1971 (talk) 02:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
UEFA-CONMEBOL Agreement And Participation of CONMEBOL Teams in 2024/2025 UEFA Nations League
editAccording to The "UEFA-CONMEBOL memorandum of understanding" Some or All Of the CONMEBOL Teams Can/Will Be Part of Future UEFA Nations Leagues. It was Ratified In 2022 And Confirms the Participation of The 2024/2025 UEFA Nations League (For more Information. Look up the "UEFA-CONMEBOL memorandum of understanding".) Orange Anomaly. (talk) 23:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Treaty
editI can see Russia being suspended again until they do a peace treaty or an Armistice with Ukraine and unless Putin dies, I can't see that happening and 2024-25, League D be 6 teams, as UEFA have no choice to suspend Russia permanently or they join AFC Japhes Japhes23 (talk) 22:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- 25-26 not 24-25 Japhes23 (talk) 22:28, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Russia still banned
edithttps://www.cfa.com.cy/Gr/news/48053 92.13.121.235 (talk) 11:00, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Map updates?
editCyprus and Belarus have been confirmed as remaining in League C, and Russia is confirmed as banned. Can someone update the map image to reflect this? https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0288-1998d51d0fd5-7d6b0ba88ce6-1000/04.03.02_unl_2425_league_phase_draw_procedure_en.pdf Tedeff (talk) 15:50, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Israel's inclusion is noteworthy
editI don't think any of you guys're gonna try to deny Israel's atrocities in Gaza Strip, it's a documented fact that has been addressed here in Wikipedia too. I assume that the issue here is whethe to mention that Israel is not banned despite its human rights and international law violations. One might (naively) wonder if Israel is going to get banned aswell because it also did violate International Law. Clarification might be useful in that case, therefore I support mentioning it. @Thmetzi Spclmnt (talk) 10:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think this doesn't belong into any football related article as we cannot discuss every ongoing conflict on earth (e.g. Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan). Only if UEFA or any other association takes consequences. Thmetzi (talk) 13:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Like I told, one might wonder if Israel is going to get banned aswell. Karabakh conflict is already loosely referenced in the article by saying that Armenia and Azerbaijan can't be matched. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, this leaves Israel as the only UEFA member to have an ongoing conflict not mentioned in here. Also to better emphasize my point: Gaza war is not being discussed here because it's a "political conflict", it's discussed because it's an illegal occupation of a country that involves massacres,[1] mass starvation, indiscriminate bombing,[2] killing of healthcare workers[3] and journalists,[4] and many other breaking of International Law. If Russia is banned for violating the International Law and Israel is not, I believe it constitutes a noticeable and notable occasion, because it's a double standard, and double standards are noticeable and notable. Spclmnt (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Spclmnt: We report on facts and what is pertinent to the article in question. For example, including a statement about the Russian invasion of Ukraine is pertinent because that action led directly to the ongoing suspension of Russia from all international sporting events. Unless and until Israel are suspended, disqualified, or otherwise banned from competition, we do not comment in this article on the ongoing conflicts, regardless of how heinous one side's actions may be. If you continue to try to force your favored version, you could find yourself blocked from editing at all. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then there's no point in discussing if threatening started. I mean why would anyone try to change your mind when I know you'll block me instead of actually changing your mind? Why even is this talk page here if you have entrenched opinions about how this page oughta look like? Just let me let you know that arguing for or against something is not forcing one's favored version. In fact, you're the one who forces their favored version here. Spclmnt (talk) 20:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Spclmnt: It's not about opinions; it's about policies, guidelines and consensus. Politics are not discussed in sports articles unless there is a direct correlation between the subjects. Also, stating that you could be blocked is not a threat; it is an admonition of the possible consequences for edit-warring. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines so you can become a productive editor. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I want to say that those policies, guidelines and consensus themselves are wrong, but I guess you cannot question them. How clever. Pretending that you're a space for productive discussion that everyone can participate, but you can't say how uncool the "policies, guidelines and consensus" are, it's a no-go. Spclmnt (talk) 21:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Spclmnt: It's not about opinions; it's about policies, guidelines and consensus. Politics are not discussed in sports articles unless there is a direct correlation between the subjects. Also, stating that you could be blocked is not a threat; it is an admonition of the possible consequences for edit-warring. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines so you can become a productive editor. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then there's no point in discussing if threatening started. I mean why would anyone try to change your mind when I know you'll block me instead of actually changing your mind? Why even is this talk page here if you have entrenched opinions about how this page oughta look like? Just let me let you know that arguing for or against something is not forcing one's favored version. In fact, you're the one who forces their favored version here. Spclmnt (talk) 20:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Spclmnt: We report on facts and what is pertinent to the article in question. For example, including a statement about the Russian invasion of Ukraine is pertinent because that action led directly to the ongoing suspension of Russia from all international sporting events. Unless and until Israel are suspended, disqualified, or otherwise banned from competition, we do not comment in this article on the ongoing conflicts, regardless of how heinous one side's actions may be. If you continue to try to force your favored version, you could find yourself blocked from editing at all. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Like I told, one might wonder if Israel is going to get banned aswell. Karabakh conflict is already loosely referenced in the article by saying that Armenia and Azerbaijan can't be matched. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, this leaves Israel as the only UEFA member to have an ongoing conflict not mentioned in here. Also to better emphasize my point: Gaza war is not being discussed here because it's a "political conflict", it's discussed because it's an illegal occupation of a country that involves massacres,[1] mass starvation, indiscriminate bombing,[2] killing of healthcare workers[3] and journalists,[4] and many other breaking of International Law. If Russia is banned for violating the International Law and Israel is not, I believe it constitutes a noticeable and notable occasion, because it's a double standard, and double standards are noticeable and notable. Spclmnt (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israels-story-changed
- ^ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
- ^ https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-236
- ^ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/8/26/israels-war-on-gaza-live-panicked-patients-flee-al-aqsa-martyrs-hospital