Talk:2024 Kīngitanga election

Is this page needed?

I'm not sure that this topic warrants its own separate page, to be honest. Are we likely to ever learn any details about the election other than the result? It seems to me this would be sufficiently covered on Te Kuiini's own page.

We don't have similar pages for any of the previous elections either.-161.29.216.215 (talk) 13:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The content should be trimmed and moved to Te Kuini's page. Peter Ormond 💬 13:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Hard disagree. The formal selection process deserves its own page. There is ample precedent for this. Look at the page for the 2020 Democratic Party vice presidential candidate selection - there's one for every year - as there is for the 1981 and 1987 Egyptian presidential confirmation referendums. Just because we known little about the election than the result doesn't mean a brief page shouldn't exist. We could move some of the contents to Te Kuiini's page, but this brief page, and the infobox, plays an important purpose to me. Dhantegge (talk) 21:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

As for the fact we don't have similar pages for the earlier elections, I'm on to that. What I really want is for there to be a page about the very first one, which was a pretty extraordinary historical event. Dhantegge (talk) 21:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

This page could easily be repurposed just a little to discuss the election of all Māori monarchs as a general process. I think it has value from that point of view, and would save us from the implied burden of the other seven missing articles (I–VII). As this so specific subject, yes, it could easily be merged into Ngā Wai Hono i te Pō. — HTGS (talk) 03:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I think that's totally contrary to the way WP should work. We put red links in articles in the hope that they'll be written later; we don't try to "save ourselves" from writing them. I see no more reason for merging this into Nga wai hono i te po than for merging 2013 papal conclave into Pope Francis. Furius (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, because significant coverage between these two events is totally equivalent (…not).

As is my habit, I’m not suggesting we do not cover previous elections, but that we can better cover these elections from a central article, where readers can understand each election in its greater historical context. — HTGS (talk) 01:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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There are sources, so there should be an article. At the moment, the page overlaps with Ngā Wai Hono i te Pō significantly, because she hasn't done much yet, but that will rapidly change, as more is published about her life up till now and more is published about her actions. It is great that Dhantegge has put it together. However, I don't think that the title is quite right, especially the use of the Roman numeral (in my head, I read it as "election of the eight Māori monarch"...). The usual format would be something like "2024 Māori king movement election" (cf. 2013 papal conclave, 1002 German royal election) Furius (talk) 21:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I find the page title odd, especially the Roman numeral. The format (and perhaps exact wording) suggested above seem right. However, the suggestion indicates (perhaps inadvertently) another issue, which is whether 'king' in the phrase should be capitalised or not. At present we have Māori King movement, but I wonder whether it should be Māori king movement. Perhaps we should decide on that before finalising a change to this article title. Nurg (talk) 10:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

You make a very good point. I would support a move to the 2024 Kīngitanga election. The term "Māori king movement" is outdated and is used far less than "Kīngitanga". Dhantegge (talk) 02:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Furius Dhantegge (talk) 02:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd be fine with that (Perhaps Māori King movement should be moved to Kīngitanga too?) Furius (talk) 22:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)