Talk:2024 United States Senate election in New Jersey

Why is Menendez in publicly expressed interest and not declared?

It is reported in the times, the wsj that Menendez is already running. 205.185.107.32 (talk) 01:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Why are we not including candidate positions?

Someone deleted "candidate positions" with the reasoning that we are not here to "promote" the candidates' positions. I would think that the publicly stated platforms of the candidates are important information for the 2024 US Senate election in NJ. As it stands, this article is just talking about controversies targeted at one Senate candidate. Wikieditor2490 (talk) 09:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

You are a single purpose editor with a brand new account solely revolving around Tammy Murphy and promotion of Tammy Murphy so I dont think you are best positioned to opine. Bhdshoes2 (talk) 23:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Both pages are filled with character attacks on Tammy Murphy rather than substantive policy issues that the candidates have stated. Wikipedia is a network that makes it more accessible for voters to access information about the candidates' position and helps them inform their votes. The media has drawn a lot of attention to certain controversies such as the county line, which the pages have included-- I have not touched these parts, as there are a lot of criticisms from New Jerseyans about the issue. I want to make sure that we're also talking about the substance of the candidates' platforms and therefore included information on ALL of the candidates as publicly stated. Wikieditor2490 (talk) 07:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Surely there's a standard protocol within the WP Politics universe on what to include on policy positions — at least major and Notable ones — especially for current candidates, who automatically fall under WP:BLP.

Platforms, as published and promoted, are almost always marketing documents, and often full of puffery. But surely a cogent editor's presentation of policy positions via NPOV is a service to the reader.

(Wish I was in a position to do that; sadly, I am not. But it feels like someone should.) Left Central (talk) 18:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I would like to get other editors' opinions on where we should place the candidate positions section. I don't think it's fair to anyone, especially Wiki readers, to bury the candidate positions under what seems like a barrage of criticisms against just Tammy Murphy in the Democratic primary. I've added the publicly stated positions of all the declared candidates in this section, not to "promote" anyone's positions. Wikieditor2490 (talk) 23:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Look, im trying to assume good faith but it is the oldest Wikipedia PR trick in the book to fill a page with bland useless text to obscure facts of note. There are articles written about how to sanitize a page with such inserts bc most Wiki readers dont read more than a couple paras in. You wrote that long winded summary and seem desperate to slap it up top when the national media is laser focused on the nepotism and county line. You were told by others that as a brand new single-purpose editor who has been repeatedly asked if you are associated with the campaign, you should gain consensus to major edits.

i also note you have repeatedly tried to upload flattering glamour shots of Tammy from her campaign page notwithstanding copyright. Now it could be just that you're a fan of Tammy who doesn't know the copyright thing (I used to not know it either when I started editing). But you seem REALLY into sanitizing Tammy pages. Just seek consensus on big changes. Bhdshoes2 (talk) 13:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Isn’t “whether Menendez is running” still ambiguous?

Here's a piece from yesterday's NYT that continues to say that Menendez may still run:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/us/politics/murphy-menendez-senate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

I read the Reference citation saying that he is definitely out, and I understand that there are many reasons why he would not run. But we have seen other politicians use campaign donations for legal fees and other legal (and illegal) personal purposes. I suspect his assessment of his best path to staying out of prison is under constant review. Even if he is telling confidants that he won't run, he presumably still has the legal right to change his mind.

Isn't our encyclopedia obliged to be cautious on this until the decision is actually final, per WP:BLP?

Perhaps characterizing him as undecided or unknown — but noting that at least one RS is saying he won't —would be more proper at this point.

Thanks to those actually involved in the New Jersey project & related work for considering this. I'm just a copy editor with a lot of knowledge about politics; I defer to the wisdom of the Talk. Left Central (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

should we add Menendez to "withdrawn" or "declined" under the Democratic party heading and directing to the Independent section? Nevermore27 (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok, now it's official. Menendez will not run. Lots of RS's to choose from.

Left Central (talk) 22:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Oops. I didn't even take the time to read accurately: my bad. He will not run in the Democratic primary but reserves the right to run as an independent. Sorry for my excitement-based error. Left Central (talk) 22:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I feel like we should take out all the endorsement maps in the Dem primary section

I say that because with the County Line being abolished, doesn't make much sense to have the maps anymore. I also feel that it's too cluttered, mixed in with endorsements from municipal level parties, the county chairs individually, ones from the State Assembly/Senate. Idk it seems too cluttered and I think we should remove them all to be honest. I would suggest keeping the State level endorsements but so few have been made I also don't see the purpose. The maps took work, but I don't see the point anymore tbh. AllThingsCombined (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I think having multiple maps there could have caused confusion, particularly after the ruling against the County Line, but I wouldn't be opposed to restoring the final county map as it stood before Murphy withdrew, as long as it's labeled as such. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Should Menendez be listed as running, and included in the infobox?

He's outright collecting petitions now (which he will almost certainly succeed in). And while he can theoretically withdraw them before August 16th, any candidate can do so and he clearly hopes to run, so I feel this is a "running until proven otherwise" type of deal. And he's the incumbent, so I feel listing him in the infobox should also be done. There is precedent for this I believe, since "independent" was listed in the AZ 2024 Senate Article even while Sinema kept her plans vague. IvAnt2006 (talk) 03:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

• @IvAnt2006: It's a gray area for sure, but I feel like we shouldn't include him, for two reasons. First, Menendez hasn't publicly confirmed he's circulating this petition. It's a pretty common standard on WP election pages that we shouldn't list a candidate as running until they publicly declare. Second, just because Menendez is circulating a petition doesn't necessarily mean he's running. It's somewhat common for people to circulate petitions while they're still deliberating over whether or not to enter the race, so that if they do decide to run, they'll be able to meet the deadline. For example, Pat Quinn circulated petitions for the 2023 Chicago mayoral election while he was still deliberating and ultimately decided not to run. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 18:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough. I suppose it's best to hold of until he announces (unless he's found guilty). IvAnt2006 (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

He formally filed papers to run today, so i have added him to the infobox.XavierGreen (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Menendez party affiliation

Menendez has filed under the "Menendez for Senate" banner, per this AP article and some others.

https://apnews.com/article/menendez-new-jersey-independent-bribery-trial-e216825389acdb2c55b634e196f0f083

He did this while remaining a Democrat and obviously petitioned as an independent. Should his affiliation be changed to "Menendez for Senate"? IvAnt2006 (talk) 23:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea - reminds me of Connecticut for Lieberman. 142.189.148.75 (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Only one-third of an article

Bizarrely, despite the article's title, it is exclusively about the Democratic primary battle. Zero discussion of the Republican primary or of the general election campaigns. Bill7436 (talk) 20:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Because there was a lot that happened in the Dem primary (the most powerful tool of NJ political parties being ruled unconstitutional)? There was not nearly as much on the Republican side, and the general election was, by all accounts, lowkey (except for Bashaw freezing in the debate which is covered). This is such an odd critique, add information about the GOP primary if you want to see more, and same for the general. JerseyThroughandThrough (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)