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Latest comment: 30 days ago11 comments6 people in discussion
The term "peace missions" has been used by Orbán himself, but it cannot be used in Wikivoice.
Orbán is not President of the EU, but Hungary has assumed the presidency of the Council of the EU. The important difference is that Orbán has no mandate to speak for the EU as a whole is therefore vastly overstepping the limits of his position. And that's the only important thing to say here. Rsk6400 (talk) 10:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's your personal opinion, Orbán's opinion, and the opinion of the obviously Orbán-connected newspaper you linked. WP is based on RS. Rsk6400 (talk) 16:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I changed the page name to "2024 visits by Viktor Orbán to Russia and China" and clarified that the term "peace missions" was used only by Orbán and that the meetings were widely seen as attempts to appease Russia's government in its aggression towards Ukraine instead of resisting their policies and breaches of international law. I used the term "peace missions" in the title because it was inclusive of all the meetings of Orban's attempts to try and quiet the war on his own terms instead of coinciding with Ukraine, the EU and NATO, and I changed it and the focus of the articles since I see how using "peace missions" in the title is misrepresentative of the actual nature of the visits to someone without the context of the full wikipedia article.
I also made sure to emphasize in the main paragraph Orbán's unauthorization in cooperating with Ukraine or EU nations in planning the meetings and their notability in using the EU's rotating presidency to speak on behalf of the EU against their values and positions towards Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's partnership.
@Noble Attempt I nominated the article for deletion as I believe that the subject does not meet our WP:N bar, being strongly influenced by WP:RECENTISM. Even though these visits are currently trumpeted in some media, I doubt they will be at all spoken about once the new EU presidency starts in 5.5 months (not even mentioning WP:LASTING notability). Please don't get offended - it wasn't personal and it wasn't a dislike for Orbán or his ideas. Simply, his two short trips don't make for a dedicated encyclopaedia article IMO. — kashmīrīTALK22:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
You're all good, I sincerely didn't mean to convey offense in my message so I apologize if I came across that way by typing out my edits very directly like that. Thank you for explaining in detail the article's notability issues, I will be sure to keep them in mind for future articles I type up. I saw the notability discussion and I will reply to that in the future, possibly with potential articles that be merged with if discussion reaches that consensus, and I don't mind if the article get deleted if that is what is best based on the Wikipedia guidelines. Noble Attempt (talk) 23:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply