Talk:2026 Formula One World Championship

Too early

Too early to have this article to date. Island92 (talk) 13:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

It's only too early if the article doesn't meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Notability. Seems there are lots of sources talking about 2026 early, since it is a regulation change, so it is likely fine. -- Cerebral726 (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 not yet over, 2025 not yet started. Why should we have this? Island92 (talk) 14:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

An article should exist if the subject is notable per the general notability guidelines of Wikipedia. The current season's status has no bearing on those guidelines. Feel free to nominate the article to be merged if you think it fails to meet those.-- Cerebral726 (talk) 14:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The point is IP never waits and they always jump the gun. Who said the official name will be Oracle Red Bull Racing Ford or Visa Cash App RB F1 Ford or Red Bull Racing-Ford RBPT? I find too many things incorrectly and we cannot add failed verification everywhere. We need to wait for the time being. Pinging @Tvx1: Island92 (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, pinging only Tvx1 looks a lot like WP:CANVASING. Don't canvass. Secondly, if there were not a regulation change the sources discussing 2026 would be few and far between and I would have nominated this article as being WP:TOOSOON. However, the sources do exist for 2026, and there are lots of them talking about the regulation changes, so I would suggest that this article does pass WP:SIGCOV at this time and therefore WP:TOOSOON does not apply. Meanwhile, remove the info that is not properly sourced. SSSB (talk) 14:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Tvx1 was pinged to have his opinion on this, as he has been around these pages for quite a while now, not because I want to be backed up by him on what I think. This page can be displayed in mid-2025. By then, I'm sure we will have more information sourced. Do we have a 2025–26 UEFA Champions League article despite the format being the same as the previous edition? Not yet. Island92 (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

But the 2025-26 UEFA champions league isn't being discussed in sources, the 2026 F1 season is (in relation to the regs changing). I don't understand why you think this is a suitable comparison. Further, you seem to think that articles can only be created within a fixed time of the event. This is not how Wikipedia works. Once the sources exist, the article can exist - regardless of how far into the future the event is (this applies to Grands Prix too. I dont know if it is you, but I have seen someone claim that Grand Prix articles can only be created one week before. This is nonsense - they can be created as soon as the sources exist). If you dont think this article should exist, go to WP:AFD. SSSB (talk) 16:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mid-2025 does not mean excatly mid-2025. Next year for sure is better evident to have it rather than now. Too much information are simply incorrect because we do not know anything just yet, such as teams official name for a future entry list. Island92 (talk) 16:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If something isn't confirmed, make it TBC. If the entire column is TBC, we might as well temporarily remove it. We know enough to create the article (i.e. we know the regulation changes.) SSSB (talk) 17:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Audi/Sauber's nationality

I was told that I needed to bring this topic to the discussion forum.

I wanna discuss Audi's nationality for 2026. Audi pre-purchased Sauber fully, so I believe the team would run with a German license. I checked the source and it says full takeover of Sauber, so I don't fully get why it's not been put there. DualSkream (talk) 10:36, 10 May 2024 (EST)

To back up that point, quite a few sources feel comfortable to refer to the incoming Audi team as the "German team": [1][2][3]. Also in the [announcement they state "The project will be based at Audi Sport's facility in Neuburg near Ingolstadt. This is the first time in more than a decade that a Formula 1 power train will be built in Germany." I think we are safe to add the German flag, though I do appreciate the desire for thorough sourcing. I'm not sure how reliable GPBlog is, but they claim they were told that they would use the German flag/anthem here -- Cerebral726 (talk) 14:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I reverted it because I'm conscious of past licensing anomalies (e.g. British Renault), but in fairness if most sources are talking about Audi as a German team (not just a German marque) than it seems reasonable to make that assumption for the time being. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 15:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The main problem with DualSkream's argument is the phrase "I believe" - this makes his arguement original research. Likewise, refering to Audi as the German team doesn't mean they will run with a German licence. Most sources considered Alfa Romeo an Italian team, but they still used the Swiss flags. I would however suggest that GPblog is a reliable source and can therefore be used to back up this claim in the article. SSSB (talk) 21:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Summary Sentence

@DualSkream: The sentence Two new engine manufacturers will enter Formula One, coinciding with the engine regulation changes. is a useful summary sentence in line with standard Wikipedia practices and the way sources describe the upcoming season ([4][5]). Why are you removing it? Cerebral726 (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

That kind of sentence isn't put in other articles where new manufacturers entered Formula One. Alfa Romeo re-entered F1 in 2019 as a headline team and didn't get that kind of sentence either, so it wouldn't make sense to add it. DualSkream (talk) 18:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The question is "does it help reader's understanding of the topic?" Clearly a single sentence summarizing multiple changes coming to 2026 are a useful addition. The sentence summarizes 3 aspects of the following paragraph, quickly giving readers an understanding before expanding on the details. It is different than 2019, which was a single major team name change , with no regulation changes, though its possible that would also benefit from some clarity; I'm not sure, since that's not the article we're talking about Cerebral726 (talk) 19:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@SSSB, 5255C, and Island92: Pinging recent frequent editors to this article. Any thoughts on the usefulness of the summary sentence? -- Cerebral726 (talk) 12:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@5225C: sorry, fixing typo. -- Cerebral726 (talk) 12:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Cerebral26's position. And DualSkream's opposition is a text-book case of WP:OTHERCONTENT and is entirely unconvincing. I hate this sort of arguement because all it does it hinder the process of improving articles. I would actually propose the counter-argument. Add such a sentence to the lead of 2019 Formula One World Championship. SSSB (talk) 13:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Cerebral726 is correct. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

MOS:EASTEREGG, MOS:MORELINKWORDS

@Island92: Regarding this edit, this is an obvious example of the situation MOS:EASTEREGG and MOS:MORELINKWORDS describe. Just Ford, in reference to the car company, should link to Ford Motor Company not the Ford in Formula One section. Expanding the target increase clarity and is line with the MOS. Cerebral726 (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

We have already discussed this style guide here and here.-- Cerebral726 (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok but I do not see the need to use multiple words to make up for a wikilink. The main thing refering to is only Ford in that sentence. Island92 (talk) 15:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

On the one hand, I don't see any problems with including more words in the link. On the other, I think the context means that "Ford" linking to the Ford in Formula One page is not a surprise, and not a major WP:EGG issue. SSSB (talk) 15:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree it is only an incremental improvement, but since there is no downside, and this is a pretty similar example to the one given in MOS:MORELINKWORDS, it seems advisable to include it. Cerebral726 (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Regulation changes

A reader can ask theirself what's Power units and Car size and aerodynamics are part of? "Technical regulations" above them is needed IMHP. Island92 (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The answer a reader would come to is that they are both part of the regulation changes, which would be correct. The "Technical" aspect is intended to contrast to "Sporting", of which their are none listed, and is useful when there is a large number of regulation changes where subcategorization adds clarity. Having a single subheading with two sub-sub-headings is unnecessary clutter and does not improve the readers' understanding in a meaningful way. Cerebral726 (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The point of headings is to divide content. If your issue is that readers need to know if it is a technical regulation then we should put that in prose... SSSB (talk) 17:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I simply do not need to wait when something about "sporting regulations" is written, so that you can have "Technical regulations", too, to make it distinguished bewteen the two. Island92 (talk) 17:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

If there are only technical regulation changes, there is no distinction to be made. So a header is not necessary, as you won't be distinguishing it from anything. SSSB (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Renault withdrawal

It says in the introduction that Renault's ending of its engine programme means that 2026 will be the first time Renault has been absent since 1976. This is not true. First of all, Renault stills owns Alpine (at least to some proportion... is is about to sell?). Secondly, Renault were not present in name between 1998 and 2000, either as engine or constructor. Renault did co-operate with Mecachrome and Playlife engines in that time, but they were companies they had a stake in/co-operated with, as is the situation with Alpine at the moment. So clarification is needed. Tangost1 (talk) 17:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Ford and Cosworth

Ford did NOT own Cosworth in 2013 . It was sold by Ford in late 2004.--Stewikiaman1 (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)