Talk:282nd Armored Brigade (Romania)

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Not your land, I know, but you're the nearest expert user and there are no articles on the Romanian Wiki on these Romanian brigades. Where would you point me for authoritative sources to improve the references for current Romanian brigades. Why in heaven has it got the number '282'? Buckshot06 (talk) 17:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I am not particularly well versed in Romanian military history either, but basically the 282nd Mech. Brigade carries the traditions of two regiments. The infantry Regimentul 6 Focşani was formed in 1872. In 1876 it was re-designated to Regimentul 10 Dorobanţi "Putna" of the 3rd Territorial Division. It is actually very confusing, because the regiment was designated Dorobanţi, which is a neighbourhood in Bucharest, but it had the name Putna, which I believe is a river on the border between present-day Romania and Ukraine and it was actually based in Focşani (regimental HQ and first battalion) and Tecuci (second battalion). The regimental companies carried the names of municipalities, so these were possibly their mobilisation areas:

- Batalionul 1 Putna: Compania 1 Focşani, Compania 2 Vrancea, Compania 3 Soveja, Compania 4 Adjud. - Batalionul 2 Tecuci: Compania 5 Tecuci, Compania 6 Bârlad, Compania 7 Berheci, Compania 8 Zeletin. The regiment was ultimately disbanded in 1949. In 1968 in relation to the increased friction in the socialist camp and the Warsaw Pact intervention in Czechoslovakia, the Romanians did not participate, but felt threatened and mobilised their military. This is when (24 September 1968) the Regimentul 282 Mecanizat was formed in the barracks previously occupied by the Regimentul 10 Dorobanţi "Putna". In 1994 in line with the transformation of the Romanian Army the regiment was transformed into a brigade and the historic name "United Principalities" (as in the unification of Wallachia and Moldova) was given. After the communists came to power in Bulgaria in 1944 they were particularly adamant to disband all the traditional Bulgarian regiments and divisions in order to erase the memory the people had of them and this was done by 1951~52. They were very commited to drop any honorific names, campaign citations and numbering from the old units. I am pretty certain the same thing happened in Romania too, hence the disbandment of the 10th. This is not a very informative article, but it includes the facts, that I have just given and it is on the official Romanian Land Forces website, so you can use it as a reference source: https://forter.ro/ministerul-apararii-nationale/brigada-282-infanterie-mecanizat%C4%83-primit-emblema-de-onoare-for%C5%A3elor-terestre/18218 Best regards!B.Velikov (talk) 14:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

-note, dates reflect original posting dates on user talk page. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

B.Velikov It was formed within the 67th Mechanised Division. 67 x 3 = 201 or so. 67 x 4 = 271. Do you have any clue why they skipped the '270-series' numberings for the regiments and used '282'? Buckshot06 (talk) 10:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

The numbering of the divisions within the Warsaw Pact was inconsequential to the numbering of their respective combat regiments. The East German LaSK is the exception to that rule. In the other WP member states regimental numbers were assigned randomly. For example the 15th Mechanised Division "People's Guard" of the Polish People's Army included the 35th Tank Regiment, the 50th, 75th and 94th Mechanised Regiments, the 9th Artillery and the 46th Air Defence Artillery Regiments. The Czechoslovak 4th Tank Division included the 7th, 8th and 13th Tank Regiments, the 9th Motor-Rifle Regiment, the 6th Artillery and the 4th Air Defence Artillery Regiments. The Hungarian 11th Tank Division had the 25th, 31st and 145th Tank Regiments, the 15th Motor-Rifle Regiment, the 22nd Artillery and the 14th Air Defence Artillery Regiments.B.Velikov (talk) 11:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello...

I can give you some Actual facts, use them at your own discretion but keep in mind, those are FACTS:

1. Dorobanţi (singular Dorobanţ) were country folks part of the army, doing service through rotation, unless during war (similar morphology for Czech, Croat, Sloven languages). Dorobanţi street and area in Bucharest are named in recognition of those military corps fighting in 1877 Independence war.

2. At about 1924-1926, there was a "Engineer / Génie" regiment - my father was enrolled there for mandatory TTR (Tanar cu Termen Redus / Young with Short Term) military service, after finishing his university (engineering) studies; the original base/concrete of that statue was done then.

3. Up to 1956, the barracks were occupied by the Soviet troops (ALL faience tile stoves were carved with Cyrillic characters/names); after their departure the compound was a training school (dormitories included!) for drivers required by the new social establishment: trucks, tractors, cars (all jobs were provided by the socialist government)

4. 1968... After August 23rd parade (Romania's "National day" back then) all military units left defensive companies at their barracks and left for designated defensive positions near the borders: Ceausescu's speech against the invasion of Czechoslovakia was irritating for Soviets and the rest of the "Warsaw pact". Personally I was North of Galati, perhaps few hundred meters from the border, watching through some forest's opening the Soviet border guards (who were watching us, as well!).

Now, UM1270 was formed effectively at the end of October, first days of November 1968: I was the first person there (as "regiment clerk") and Major Ciobanu (Cojocaru?!?) was the first officer and in charge with all personnel (H.R.) arriving at this new formed "nucleus".

It is possible that the order to create extra military units was done earlier but NOT 5-6 weeks in advance: NOBODY knew when an attack from USSR or Bulgaria would arise; we had in north-western Romania an tank attack from Hungary... Why would somebody create military units and where???

If I'll be able to get an exact date of the "Grand opening", I will let you know!

All the best,

mcv.- Who'sKnot (talk) 18:58, 1 February 2023 (UTC)